1
00:00:22,550 --> 00:00:19,210
[Music]

2
00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:24,550
you're in the paracast

3
00:00:29,349 --> 00:00:28,080
the gold standard of paranormal radio

4
00:00:33,190 --> 00:00:29,359
and now

5
00:00:37,750 --> 00:00:34,790
you're on with gene and chris on the

6
00:00:39,110 --> 00:00:37,760
power cast and we're trying to set

7
00:00:39,910 --> 00:00:39,120
things together

8
00:00:41,830 --> 00:00:39,920
now

9
00:00:43,590 --> 00:00:41,840
we mentioned this briefly on after the

10
00:00:46,069 --> 00:00:43,600
power cast last week which is our

11
00:00:47,910 --> 00:00:46,079
premium show for powercast plus

12
00:00:49,510 --> 00:00:47,920
and that is our guest

13
00:00:51,430 --> 00:00:49,520
preston dennett

14
00:00:54,790 --> 00:00:51,440
really put together an incredible amount

15
00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:54,800
of research over the past 30 years or so

16
00:00:58,790 --> 00:00:56,640
but like a lot of people in this field

17
00:01:00,869 --> 00:00:58,800
he makes assumptions

18
00:01:03,349 --> 00:01:00,879
so of course the first assumption about

19
00:01:06,070 --> 00:01:03,359
people interested in ufos is that they

20
00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:06,080
must be et believers

21
00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:07,760
if you're interested in ufos you're an

22
00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:09,280
et believer

23
00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:11,280
you have to believe in e.t you're an et

24
00:01:15,109 --> 00:01:13,920
fan you're an et follower we're all into

25
00:01:18,070 --> 00:01:15,119
e.t

26
00:01:21,270 --> 00:01:19,429
thank you sir

27
00:01:23,429 --> 00:01:21,280
there will never be a sequel to et of

28
00:01:27,030 --> 00:01:23,439
course you know et originally was

29
00:01:29,830 --> 00:01:27,040
supposed to be a much darker movie

30
00:01:31,990 --> 00:01:29,840
i'm serious i know i know it was it was

31
00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:32,000
supposed to be really dark and uh

32
00:01:37,350 --> 00:01:35,040
he kind of got persuaded not to do it he

33
00:01:39,590 --> 00:01:37,360
but still that creature all you'd have

34
00:01:41,990 --> 00:01:39,600
to do is give it one swift karate chop

35
00:01:44,789 --> 00:01:42,000
in the neck and it was it's all over yes

36
00:01:45,749 --> 00:01:44,799
but it has powers it has super powers

37
00:01:47,830 --> 00:01:45,759
yeah

38
00:01:50,389 --> 00:01:47,840
right you know they could make an et

39
00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:50,399
show for the cw or something there you

40
00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:52,479
go well you know preston preston is a

41
00:01:57,590 --> 00:01:55,200
really sweet guy i remember meeting him

42
00:01:59,749 --> 00:01:57,600
now he mentioned uh we met at the

43
00:02:01,910 --> 00:01:59,759
university of uh wyoming cheyenne

44
00:02:03,670 --> 00:02:01,920
conference with leo sprinkle

45
00:02:05,590 --> 00:02:03,680
where i came off the podium and found

46
00:02:08,630 --> 00:02:05,600
out one of my best friends was dying of

47
00:02:11,110 --> 00:02:08,640
cancer i'll never forget that day but

48
00:02:13,430 --> 00:02:11,120
preston's a really super nice guy he

49
00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:13,440
just exudes niceness

50
00:02:18,550 --> 00:02:15,440
and it's it's impossible not to like

51
00:02:20,070 --> 00:02:18,560
somebody like him he's very up to speed

52
00:02:22,630 --> 00:02:20,080
but i'll tell you you could scrape the

53
00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:22,640
naivety off him like you know with a

54
00:02:25,430 --> 00:02:24,000
with a

55
00:02:27,110 --> 00:02:25,440
butter knife

56
00:02:29,510 --> 00:02:27,120
i don't know for someone who has been

57
00:02:32,229 --> 00:02:29,520
around in this field as long as he has

58
00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:32,239
to maintain that soft and cuddly

59
00:02:38,070 --> 00:02:35,040
opinion and perspective

60
00:02:40,229 --> 00:02:38,080
you know you gotta gotta hand it to him

61
00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:40,239
it's actually kind of impressive

62
00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:42,720
if only i could be soft and cuddly about

63
00:02:46,550 --> 00:02:45,200
ufos or about the subject

64
00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:46,560
you cuddly

65
00:02:51,430 --> 00:02:49,200
i guess my wife must think so although i

66
00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:51,440
haven't asked her lately yeah is that

67
00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:53,440
before after you you have to break the

68
00:02:55,750 --> 00:02:54,959
tv because she's

69
00:02:58,710 --> 00:02:55,760
it's

70
00:03:00,710 --> 00:02:58,720
super glued on fox news

71
00:03:02,710 --> 00:03:00,720
okay now understand we're not a

72
00:03:05,509 --> 00:03:02,720
political show but as soon as you get

73
00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:05,519
into a subject of ufos and government

74
00:03:10,070 --> 00:03:07,840
secrecy it becomes political of course

75
00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:10,080
so as our listeners know and we're on

76
00:03:18,869 --> 00:03:12,959
the gcn network and of course our

77
00:03:21,670 --> 00:03:20,229
excuse me

78
00:03:23,990 --> 00:03:21,680
i have a feeling that cough was

79
00:03:26,949 --> 00:03:24,000
deliberate in any case

80
00:03:27,910 --> 00:03:26,959
she watches fox news from 6 30 in the

81
00:03:31,990 --> 00:03:27,920
morning

82
00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:32,000
till i don't know 6 30 at night 12 hours

83
00:03:36,390 --> 00:03:34,959
go out and get a job

84
00:03:38,149 --> 00:03:36,400
do something

85
00:03:41,110 --> 00:03:38,159
get out of bed

86
00:03:43,430 --> 00:03:41,120
i think we're listening to chris

87
00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:43,440
and his sarcasm getting the better of

88
00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:46,480
him barbara steinberg by the way is a

89
00:03:50,149 --> 00:03:48,000
very devoted

90
00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:50,159
animal rights advocate and you can find

91
00:03:54,710 --> 00:03:52,560
her on facebook if you're interested

92
00:03:57,270 --> 00:03:54,720
so look for barbara steinberg on

93
00:04:00,390 --> 00:03:57,280
facebook and see what she has to say

94
00:04:03,509 --> 00:04:00,400
let's move on that's fine sorry anyway

95
00:04:07,110 --> 00:04:03,519
getting back to this crazy field how do

96
00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:07,120
you investigate ufos in the first

97
00:04:12,229 --> 00:04:09,760
letter u is for unidentified if you

98
00:04:13,990 --> 00:04:12,239
think you've identified them already

99
00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:14,000
because if you do then you never go any

100
00:04:18,150 --> 00:04:15,360
further okay

101
00:04:19,990 --> 00:04:18,160
we now know their spaceships and we now

102
00:04:21,990 --> 00:04:20,000
know of course that we have all these

103
00:04:24,230 --> 00:04:22,000
planets that seem to have

104
00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:24,240
the potential for life but i have

105
00:04:29,430 --> 00:04:25,600
another question

106
00:04:30,550 --> 00:04:29,440
even though the kepler telescope and

107
00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:30,560
the hubble

108
00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:33,280
gave us evidence of exoplanets

109
00:04:36,790 --> 00:04:34,880
we still haven't received anything from

110
00:04:38,629 --> 00:04:36,800
seti last i checked

111
00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:38,639
maybe there was one case where they

112
00:04:43,030 --> 00:04:40,800
thought they had something but it didn't

113
00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:43,040
turn out to be anything wow

114
00:04:45,909 --> 00:04:44,160
wow

115
00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:45,919
we don't have any evidence

116
00:04:50,469 --> 00:04:46,960
of

117
00:04:52,469 --> 00:04:50,479
extraterrestrial life not one iota

118
00:04:53,430 --> 00:04:52,479
no radio signals

119
00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:53,440
nothing

120
00:04:57,189 --> 00:04:54,960
it doesn't mean that we're alone in the

121
00:04:58,790 --> 00:04:57,199
universe it may be we're looking at the

122
00:05:00,310 --> 00:04:58,800
wrong things we're looking at the wrong

123
00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:00,320
frequencies i don't know

124
00:05:02,629 --> 00:05:01,520
but i would think

125
00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:02,639
that after

126
00:05:08,310 --> 00:05:05,120
we are broadcasting everything from i

127
00:05:10,629 --> 00:05:08,320
love lucy to war of the worlds for

128
00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:10,639
decades upon decades

129
00:05:13,990 --> 00:05:12,560
you know well it barely judge judy

130
00:05:16,150 --> 00:05:14,000
listen to this now what would they think

131
00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:16,160
of our planet that the number one

132
00:05:23,670 --> 00:05:20,880
syndicated daytime tv show is judge judy

133
00:05:26,310 --> 00:05:23,680
well gene i mean let's get real those

134
00:05:27,029 --> 00:05:26,320
original broadcasts from nazi germany

135
00:05:29,189 --> 00:05:27,039
and

136
00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:29,199
the original radio shows from the 20s

137
00:05:32,710 --> 00:05:30,880
and 30s they've barely gotten past the

138
00:05:34,230 --> 00:05:32,720
first few stars

139
00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:34,240
exactly

140
00:05:39,590 --> 00:05:36,800
but then again if we have civilizations

141
00:05:41,909 --> 00:05:39,600
out there that are older than us

142
00:05:44,710 --> 00:05:41,919
wouldn't we have some evidence

143
00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:44,720
of their presence don't they leave some

144
00:05:49,909 --> 00:05:47,520
footprint a digital footprint something

145
00:05:52,629 --> 00:05:49,919
last week fermi's paradox man

146
00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:52,639
i know you mentioned that yeah you would

147
00:05:57,670 --> 00:05:55,680
think um so

148
00:05:59,590 --> 00:05:57,680
what what you know

149
00:06:01,749 --> 00:05:59,600
what can you say people have a need to

150
00:06:04,550 --> 00:06:01,759
believe uh

151
00:06:07,029 --> 00:06:04,560
obviously it verges on some

152
00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:07,039
almost religious compulsion um

153
00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:08,479
abdicating

154
00:06:13,990 --> 00:06:11,440
uh responsibility for your own uh

155
00:06:14,590 --> 00:06:14,000
you know existence and and your own

156
00:06:16,070 --> 00:06:14,600
uh

157
00:06:17,350 --> 00:06:16,080
[Music]

158
00:06:20,790 --> 00:06:17,360
just

159
00:06:22,710 --> 00:06:20,800
sense of of individuality i guess uh and

160
00:06:24,550 --> 00:06:22,720
and going for that religious

161
00:06:27,350 --> 00:06:24,560
uh i need something bigger than me to

162
00:06:30,070 --> 00:06:27,360
believe in to make my w my life feel

163
00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:30,080
um like it has meaning and it's sad it's

164
00:06:33,670 --> 00:06:32,080
very sad but what can you do you know

165
00:06:36,950 --> 00:06:33,680
the human

166
00:06:39,590 --> 00:06:36,960
inclination uh i think the people's

167
00:06:40,710 --> 00:06:39,600
have the average person's uh inclination

168
00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:40,720
is to

169
00:06:45,670 --> 00:06:44,080
um abdicate uh control in their lives

170
00:06:48,230 --> 00:06:45,680
and and worship something bigger than

171
00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:48,240
themselves and because our outmoded

172
00:06:51,990 --> 00:06:50,160
religious structures and control systems

173
00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:52,000
that we've devised for ourselves over

174
00:06:55,110 --> 00:06:53,840
the past uh you know a couple thousand

175
00:06:57,029 --> 00:06:55,120
years they

176
00:06:58,309 --> 00:06:57,039
they're breaking down people see the

177
00:07:00,070 --> 00:06:58,319
absurdity

178
00:07:01,990 --> 00:07:00,080
of fighting each other and killing each

179
00:07:04,710 --> 00:07:02,000
other over you know my god's better than

180
00:07:06,550 --> 00:07:04,720
your god and so people are yearning and

181
00:07:10,150 --> 00:07:06,560
looking out outwards for something else

182
00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:10,160
and and ufos and ets and ascended

183
00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:12,960
masters and benevolent space brothers

184
00:07:18,710 --> 00:07:15,520
and stephen greer have uh

185
00:07:20,150 --> 00:07:18,720
much more of an appeal i think than uh

186
00:07:21,909 --> 00:07:20,160
than you know

187
00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:21,919
pre-medieval

188
00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:23,440
monotheistic

189
00:07:27,749 --> 00:07:25,120
paganistic uh

190
00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:27,759
belief systems and i'm off my soapbox

191
00:07:31,589 --> 00:07:29,520
okay so now we have the religious

192
00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:31,599
argument but the point being here

193
00:07:35,909 --> 00:07:34,240
is that if you accept that the ufo

194
00:07:38,390 --> 00:07:35,919
mystery has been solved you're

195
00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:38,400
abdicating

196
00:07:43,350 --> 00:07:41,440
your responsibility to think

197
00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:43,360
about the possibilities

198
00:07:46,309 --> 00:07:45,440
well you know it's to look like a duck

199
00:07:48,070 --> 00:07:46,319
uh

200
00:07:49,990 --> 00:07:48,080
you know it sounds like a duck argument

201
00:07:51,749 --> 00:07:50,000
which to me is very thin

202
00:07:52,950 --> 00:07:51,759
and does not

203
00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:52,960
wash

204
00:07:55,990 --> 00:07:54,560
and someone like a preston dennett i

205
00:07:57,990 --> 00:07:56,000
think should know better i think he

206
00:07:59,110 --> 00:07:58,000
should be a lot more like you know a lot

207
00:08:01,350 --> 00:07:59,120
more

208
00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:01,360
um how would i put it um

209
00:08:05,589 --> 00:08:03,520
neutral and you know he shouldn't have

210
00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:05,599
had his his mind made up uh to the

211
00:08:09,189 --> 00:08:07,280
extent that he does anybody in this

212
00:08:10,390 --> 00:08:09,199
field who's been in the field for 25

213
00:08:14,629 --> 00:08:10,400
years

214
00:08:16,869 --> 00:08:14,639
a lot more objective

215
00:08:18,950 --> 00:08:16,879
now even in his final days

216
00:08:22,150 --> 00:08:18,960
although we presume that dr j allen

217
00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:22,160
heineck believed in the ichi explanation

218
00:08:26,390 --> 00:08:24,639
he began to feel there was a lot more to

219
00:08:27,589 --> 00:08:26,400
it than that

220
00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:27,599
definitely

221
00:08:32,070 --> 00:08:30,080
i can attest to that because i sat there

222
00:08:33,670 --> 00:08:32,080
and had dinner with him one day and we

223
00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:33,680
talked about it after i'd interviewed

224
00:08:37,269 --> 00:08:36,159
him i wish i had a recording of that

225
00:08:39,829 --> 00:08:37,279
interview

226
00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:39,839
i've moved about 40 times since then and

227
00:08:42,949 --> 00:08:41,360
i don't that really would have been

228
00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:42,959
something historical maybe i'll find

229
00:08:47,829 --> 00:08:45,360
something you know maybe there's some

230
00:08:49,670 --> 00:08:47,839
cassette tape sitting here somewhere and

231
00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:49,680
i'll locate it and i'll have it in the

232
00:08:54,630 --> 00:08:52,320
meantime we've got somebody here who's

233
00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:54,640
been around for a number of years

234
00:08:59,509 --> 00:08:56,880
and he's somebody who can be

235
00:09:01,590 --> 00:08:59,519
very hard-nosed about things

236
00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:01,600
very skeptical about things although he

237
00:09:06,710 --> 00:09:04,480
does accept roswell and he does accept

238
00:09:08,630 --> 00:09:06,720
the possibility that ufos

239
00:09:11,030 --> 00:09:08,640
are spacecraft

240
00:09:13,269 --> 00:09:11,040
but he takes a really really straight

241
00:09:15,509 --> 00:09:13,279
ahead viewpoint and that's kevin d

242
00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:15,519
randall and he's been on the power cast

243
00:09:20,949 --> 00:09:18,000
before and we always welcome him back

244
00:09:23,350 --> 00:09:20,959
because he's somebody who

245
00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:23,360
as i said tries to approach the subject

246
00:09:27,910 --> 00:09:25,760
realistically he also has a blog out

247
00:09:29,509 --> 00:09:27,920
there you ought to check out called

248
00:09:33,670 --> 00:09:29,519
a different perspective at

249
00:09:36,389 --> 00:09:34,630
okay

250
00:09:39,509 --> 00:09:36,399
check that out in fact

251
00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:39,519
as we do our break bring it up on your

252
00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:41,519
browser as you're listening to this if

253
00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:43,680
you're in a position to do that in any

254
00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:46,240
case sit back relax and enjoy kevin

255
00:09:53,540 --> 00:09:48,000
randle is coming with gina and chris

256
00:09:53,550 --> 00:09:57,829
[Music]

257
00:10:03,030 --> 00:10:00,630
do you need a website well you can get a

258
00:10:05,910 --> 00:10:03,040
great deal on hosting services with

259
00:10:07,750 --> 00:10:05,920
namecheap's legendary coupon code

260
00:10:09,750 --> 00:10:07,760
they're offering substantial hosting

261
00:10:13,030 --> 00:10:09,760
discounts on shared hosting business

262
00:10:15,670 --> 00:10:13,040
hosting vps hosting reseller hosting and

263
00:10:17,910 --> 00:10:15,680
even dedicated servers name cheap is

264
00:10:21,350 --> 00:10:17,920
preferred by millions it's backed by a

265
00:10:23,750 --> 00:10:21,360
money-back guarantee use the coupon code

266
00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:23,760
legendary to cash in on this special

267
00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:27,360
deal at namecheap.comnamecheap.com

268
00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:29,120
first game attack of the rockoids and it

269
00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:31,200
was a critically acclaimed success and

270
00:10:34,389 --> 00:10:32,480
now there is the coming of the

271
00:10:36,630 --> 00:10:34,399
protectors a former military

272
00:10:38,790 --> 00:10:36,640
intelligence man is contacted by a space

273
00:10:41,350 --> 00:10:38,800
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

274
00:10:43,030 --> 00:10:41,360
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

275
00:10:45,190 --> 00:10:43,040
her distant planet are planning to

276
00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:45,200
conquer the earth this is gripping

277
00:10:49,590 --> 00:10:47,760
science fiction of the classic kind

278
00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:49,600
attack of the rockoids and the coming of

279
00:10:54,590 --> 00:10:51,640
the protectors find out more at

280
00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:54,600
rockoids.com that's rockoites

281
00:11:00,069 --> 00:10:57,200
r-o-c-k-o-i-d-s dot-com

282
00:11:01,509 --> 00:11:00,079
hi peter vercaro for paranormaldate.com

283
00:11:03,590 --> 00:11:01,519
are you looking for love in all the

284
00:11:06,509 --> 00:11:03,600
wrong places now you have a chance to

285
00:11:08,790 --> 00:11:06,519
change that by signing up for free at

286
00:11:10,630 --> 00:11:08,800
paranormaldate.com this incredible

287
00:11:12,389 --> 00:11:10,640
dating site puts people of like minds

288
00:11:15,030 --> 00:11:12,399
together people who are interested in

289
00:11:18,430 --> 00:11:15,040
the strange the unusual mysteries ghosts

290
00:11:20,710 --> 00:11:18,440
ufos and the afterlife and so much more

291
00:11:22,949 --> 00:11:20,720
paranormaldate.com was developed for you

292
00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:22,959
people seeking a viable alternative to

293
00:11:28,230 --> 00:11:25,440
the other dating services you can join

294
00:11:29,990 --> 00:11:28,240
for free by going to paranormaldate.com

295
00:11:32,230 --> 00:11:30,000
and if you decide you like it and want

296
00:11:35,110 --> 00:11:32,240
to connect with people use the code

297
00:11:37,269 --> 00:11:35,120
george for a substantial discount mark

298
00:11:38,710 --> 00:11:37,279
rawlings president of paranormaldate.com

299
00:11:41,030 --> 00:11:38,720
says so many people hunger to share

300
00:11:43,269 --> 00:11:41,040
their experiences about the paranormal

301
00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:43,279
the unexplainable or the afterlife and

302
00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:45,680
so much more and this is the source for

303
00:11:48,949 --> 00:11:47,440
them to meet and share that common

304
00:11:51,230 --> 00:11:48,959
interest so sign up for free at

305
00:11:55,670 --> 00:11:51,240
paranormaldate.com

306
00:12:00,069 --> 00:11:55,680
george if you decide to connect with

307
00:12:03,829 --> 00:12:01,670
you've been hearing dr wallach talking

308
00:12:05,230 --> 00:12:03,839
about 90 essential nutrients keeping the

309
00:12:07,430 --> 00:12:05,240
body healthy

310
00:12:09,910 --> 00:12:07,440
gcnteam.com now has beyond tangy

311
00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:09,920
tangerine tablets 60 plant derived

312
00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:12,959
minerals 16 vitamins 12 amino acids

313
00:12:18,629 --> 00:12:15,120
packed in a powerful tablet but that's

314
00:12:22,350 --> 00:12:18,639
not it 160 000 auric points a knockout

315
00:12:25,590 --> 00:12:22,360
punch to free radicals call

316
00:12:29,190 --> 00:12:25,600
877-878-4203 or go to gcnteam.com

317
00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:32,069
dangerous blood clot device alert if you

318
00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:34,639
or a loved one had an ivc filter placed

319
00:12:38,629 --> 00:12:36,800
to prevent blood clots from traveling to

320
00:12:40,389 --> 00:12:38,639
your heart or lungs and suffered an

321
00:12:42,790 --> 00:12:40,399
injury you may be entitled to

322
00:12:45,670 --> 00:12:42,800
substantial financial compensation the

323
00:12:48,069 --> 00:12:45,680
fda warns that ivc filters may cause

324
00:12:50,550 --> 00:12:48,079
serious complications such as heart or

325
00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:50,560
lung damage internal bleeding and even

326
00:12:55,030 --> 00:12:53,040
death these dangerous blood clot devices

327
00:12:57,030 --> 00:12:55,040
can break and the metal fragments can

328
00:12:59,430 --> 00:12:57,040
travel to your heart or lungs causing

329
00:13:01,750 --> 00:12:59,440
serious injuries if you or a loved one

330
00:13:04,389 --> 00:13:01,760
suffered organ damage or other injuries

331
00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:04,399
from an ivc filter you may be entitled

332
00:13:09,829 --> 00:13:06,880
to substantial financial compensation

333
00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:09,839
act now time is limited to file a claim

334
00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:11,760
for a free consultation and free

335
00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:14,160
information call injury help desk at

336
00:13:22,629 --> 00:13:16,880
800-478-1507

337
00:13:24,910 --> 00:13:23,910
this is an advertisement paid

338
00:13:26,629 --> 00:13:24,920
non-attorney spokesperson

339
00:13:28,069 --> 00:13:26,639
injuryhelpdesk.com is responsible for

340
00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:28,079
this advertisement principal office las

341
00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:29,440
vegas nevada paid not attorney

342
00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:30,480
spokesperson adam polesky of the

343
00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:31,360
palestinian law firm from the principal

344
00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:32,639
office to texas the attorney responsible

345
00:13:34,389 --> 00:13:33,600
for the content of this ad this ad is

346
00:13:35,269 --> 00:13:34,399
not legal advice and the choice of a

347
00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:35,279
lawyer should not be based only on

348
00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:36,160
advertisement services may not be

349
00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:37,360
available in all states attention

350
00:13:41,350 --> 00:13:39,440
zarelto users if you or a loved one took

351
00:13:43,030 --> 00:13:41,360
xarelto and suffered a serious bleeding

352
00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:43,040
event you may be entitled to financial

353
00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:45,040
compensation xarelto is a popular

354
00:13:47,829 --> 00:13:46,240
prescription blood thinner used to

355
00:13:49,269 --> 00:13:47,839
prevent blood clots and protect patients

356
00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:49,279
from strokes these serious bleeding

357
00:13:52,389 --> 00:13:50,639
events have led to numerous cases of

358
00:13:55,069 --> 00:13:52,399
hospitalization and even death phone

359
00:14:01,269 --> 00:13:55,079
lines are open 24 7. call

360
00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:03,509
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

361
00:14:09,590 --> 00:14:06,000
comment or question about the paracast

362
00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:09,600
send it to news theparacast.com

363
00:14:14,629 --> 00:14:12,800
that's news at the paracast.com

364
00:14:17,110 --> 00:14:14,639
and don't forget to visit our famous

365
00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:17,120
paracast community forums at

366
00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:23,750
i was thinking here that

367
00:14:27,189 --> 00:14:25,920
over the years that we interviewed

368
00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:27,199
someone who's not here today but

369
00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:28,720
somebody who's been a frequent guest on

370
00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:31,680
the show nick redfearn i have asked him

371
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:33,600
don't you have skype

372
00:14:37,189 --> 00:14:36,000
and he can never get skype to work on

373
00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:37,199
his computer

374
00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:40,000
i keep trying so our guest today kevin

375
00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:42,320
randle who has talked to us on the same

376
00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:43,440
phone number

377
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,839
for the past 10 years it's amazing that

378
00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:47,519
he has that same phone number with the

379
00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:49,600
way things change i've had this phone

380
00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:51,440
number that i'm using by the way my

381
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:53,440
phone number for 25 years but that's

382
00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:56,240
another story i'm old as the hills but

383
00:15:00,870 --> 00:14:59,120
with kevin randle he's on

384
00:15:02,710 --> 00:15:00,880
with skype

385
00:15:03,509 --> 00:15:02,720
you really made an investment on this my

386
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:03,519
friend

387
00:15:08,310 --> 00:15:06,560
i have been skyping for quite a while

388
00:15:09,269 --> 00:15:08,320
i don't know why we have not done skype

389
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:09,279
before

390
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:12,399
i thought i had asked you at one time

391
00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:14,320
and you may have and at that time i may

392
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:15,600
not have been

393
00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:17,760
but i was forced onto skype by everybody

394
00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:19,440
else every time i do a radio interview

395
00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:21,440
they'd say don't you have skype because

396
00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:23,440
it sounds so much better and so i said

397
00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:26,720
okay so i have skype well now i'm going

398
00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:29,440
to assign you to contact nick redfern

399
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:31,839
and fix his skype problem

400
00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:33,519
has he tried to skype with you and it

401
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:36,079
just doesn't work or it doesn't launch

402
00:15:40,389 --> 00:15:38,320
properly it crashes something like that

403
00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:40,399
it just doesn't do the thing well i

404
00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:42,320
think he might have an ancient computer

405
00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:43,839
and that's probably gonna say that

406
00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:47,120
sounds like a computer problem to me

407
00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:49,120
well i figured microsoft should work

408
00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:52,079
with pcs since microsoft owns skype in

409
00:15:55,350 --> 00:15:54,079
windows but it doesn't work i've had a

410
00:15:57,749 --> 00:15:55,360
few people

411
00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:57,759
who run into problems with skype and we

412
00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:00,160
do occasionally too like i think in last

413
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:02,720
week's episode we had preston dennett

414
00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:04,240
you know him

415
00:16:07,829 --> 00:16:06,240
i don't believe so okay he's a writer

416
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:07,839
from out

417
00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:09,519
in california who's been around for a

418
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:11,440
while written a lot of books about ufo

419
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:12,720
sightings

420
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:15,519
and he and chris are talking

421
00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:18,560
but skype disconnects for me

422
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:21,759
and logs off but i'm still recording the

423
00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:23,519
show i'm still hearing

424
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:25,440
these two talk but they can't hear me it

425
00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:27,199
must be skype didn't like the way i

426
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:29,600
sounded yeah that was weird

427
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:32,320
i think it's a government conspiracy

428
00:16:36,069 --> 00:16:34,480
okay if hillary clinton did it

429
00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:36,079
everything else is blamed on hillary

430
00:16:38,949 --> 00:16:37,199
clinton

431
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:38,959
speaking of which i wanted to ask you

432
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,040
here and maybe you've written a comment

433
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:43,440
about this i know that

434
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:46,320
our friend mr o'brien does not like

435
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:47,600
hillary clinton it doesn't matter

436
00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:49,600
whether you like her or hate her she has

437
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:51,600
certainly been forthright

438
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:53,199
in asserting that she's going to try to

439
00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:55,600
get information about ufos if she

440
00:16:58,710 --> 00:16:57,519
becomes president and we've had empty

441
00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:58,720
promises

442
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:00,639
from presidential candidates over the

443
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:02,800
years what makes you think her promises

444
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:05,439
is has any any sort of depth to it at

445
00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:07,199
all in fact that's the question i was

446
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:09,600
going to ask kevin i don't know why she

447
00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:12,000
would pander to the ufo crowd

448
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,839
clearly her husband

449
00:17:18,150 --> 00:17:15,839
had said many many times he was going to

450
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:18,160
get bought to the bottom of the ufo

451
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:20,000
phenomenon and he didn't bother to do it

452
00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:21,520
or didn't do it or couldn't do it or

453
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,480
something

454
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,000
uh podeska

455
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:26,799
podes podesta podesta

456
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,880
he had uh he worked for bill and he was

457
00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:30,720
going to do something and he's been

458
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,960
in and out of ufos for quite a while

459
00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:34,640
meaning the phenomena not that he

460
00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:37,360
boarded the craft or anything

461
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:39,280
and he hasn't done anything

462
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:41,280
david kucinich had made some kind of

463
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:43,440
comment like that uh that was dennis

464
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:44,559
kucinich

465
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,720
what did i say david david yeah

466
00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:48,880
dennis considered dennis

467
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,720
i can't say it at all now well you know

468
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:52,240
what people don't even remember him

469
00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:54,160
anymore he's that obscure well no he got

470
00:17:58,630 --> 00:17:56,480
outed by shirley maclaine uh he he he

471
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:58,640
was totally backpedalling then having to

472
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:00,720
to post responses uh

473
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,440
mclean simply that kucinich had said

474
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:05,200
something about ufos and he was going to

475
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:07,280
do this and the media just came down on

476
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:10,240
him for even suggesting that

477
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:11,840
and now hillary says it the new york

478
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:13,679
times is saying well wow that's great

479
00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:15,280
let's let's get to the bottom of this

480
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:16,160
there's

481
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:17,600
she's not going to have any more success

482
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:19,360
than anybody else has

483
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:21,280
why would her presidency if she gets

484
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:23,360
elected be able to

485
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:26,240
get to full disclosure when nobody else

486
00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:28,160
could do it what does she bring to the

487
00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:30,400
table that all those others

488
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:32,160
didn't bring to the table well remember

489
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:34,240
her fir the first

490
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:35,600
question that was asked of her this

491
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:37,120
would have been three or three or so

492
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:38,400
months ago

493
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:39,840
you know what she was going to do about

494
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,080
the about ufos and stuff and she said oh

495
00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:44,559
well we'll get to the bottom of area 54

496
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:47,360
in new mexico you remember that

497
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,039
yes and that was that was right on

498
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,679
target because we all know that area 54

499
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:53,760
is in new mexico but it has no relevance

500
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,720
to anything ufological

501
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:58,640
that was my my joke there saying that

502
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:01,280
there's an area 54 in new mexico that

503
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:04,320
i i just found that that very telling

504
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:07,120
yes i'm not sure what direction to take

505
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,200
it but it it spoke volumes that's

506
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,960
because i think i would think that

507
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:12,640
almost anybody

508
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:13,760
um

509
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,320
in the country would be aware of area 51

510
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:17,840
just because of the

511
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:19,760
the news media gets into it once in a

512
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,960
while and there's been a lot of

513
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:22,640
discussion about it a number of years

514
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:25,360
ago russ estes and i had a conversation

515
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:27,840
and that this would be 91 92 something

516
00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:29,200
like that

517
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,120
and he said to me at that time if you

518
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,280
went up and asked 10 people

519
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:35,679
what do you associate with roswell

520
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,600
you'd probably get 10 different answers

521
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,600
and maybe not anything related to the

522
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,799
crash

523
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:42,720
we have now come to the point where it

524
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:45,679
has become such a part of our

525
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:47,919
cultural mythology that you see it in

526
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:49,760
all kinds of stuff you understand that

527
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,480
roswell is associated with ufos jeopardy

528
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:54,720
even had a question about that one time

529
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:56,320
a couple of years ago

530
00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,919
about roswell and ufos so it made its

531
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,919
way into the

532
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,320
consciousness of the of the country and

533
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,320
i would think area 51 has done the same

534
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:08,640
thing so the fact that she

535
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:11,679
blew it with area 54 in new mexico

536
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,520
suggests that um she's somehow outside

537
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:17,679
a lot of the mainstream

538
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:19,840
american conscious well you know it

539
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:21,760
people do misspeak

540
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,120
one time obama during the 2008 campaign

541
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,159
referred to 57 states and they really

542
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,559
ragged on him for it fact of the matter

543
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:32,720
this guy is out on the

544
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:33,679
road

545
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:36,240
seven days a week for who knows 16 hour

546
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,360
days 20 hour days and you get dog tired

547
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:41,679
and you say stupid things and whatever

548
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,600
we think about hillary clinton even if

549
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,520
she is crooked hillary is

550
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:47,760
donald trump says well

551
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:50,000
you know she's not stupid

552
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,159
i think that's a good point that we all

553
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,159
misspeak at times we get tripped up in

554
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,720
our own syntax we get tripped up in

555
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,799
uh trying to access all these random

556
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,880
bits of information in our brains and we

557
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,799
sometimes just put two bits together

558
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:04,799
that don't go and we really shouldn't

559
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:07,360
condemn people for making those sorts of

560
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,240
uh mistakes the news media just

561
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,320
loves to jump on somebody for doing

562
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,000
something like that when i mean

563
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:16,799
everybody knows there's 52 states that

564
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,240
was another joke actually it was 67.

565
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,080
i was thinking here that the reason he

566
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:25,200
said 57 is he was eating something like

567
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,159
french fries with heinz ketchup and

568
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,720
that's we got the 57 from or maybe john

569
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,480
kerry scared him

570
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,799
oh that's it right there let's move on

571
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,720
to something here so the point being

572
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,320
here is that

573
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,799
maybe she's sincere about this because

574
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:42,480
there is no upside

575
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:45,280
to getting the ufo vote

576
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,559
i don't think

577
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,159
or maybe she tried to sound more

578
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,919
outlandish than donald trump but that's

579
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,840
pretty difficult that's another thing

580
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,120
too

581
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,919
trump has not said anything about that

582
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,280
you think that

583
00:22:02,789 --> 00:21:59,440
his tweet machine would be going full

584
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,799
time about crooked hillary being a wacky

585
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:05,200
ufo or et believer

586
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,720
but he's not done it he hasn't said

587
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,880
anything yet i think he's getting enough

588
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,400
press with what he does says he doesn't

589
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:11,520
need to

590
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,720
explore that arena at all i i

591
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:16,080
there was oh there was something on the

592
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,600
internet today about a woman who had

593
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,360
just passed away

594
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,039
and the the comment she'd made some

595
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,799
comment that she just couldn't stand to

596
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,559
vote for either one of them this was her

597
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,840
way out he was in her obituary which was

598
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:29,600
kind of funny they didn't want to

599
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,640
afraid that you were going to have to

600
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,799
vote for hillary or donald and didn't

601
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,240
want to vote for either one and i

602
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,240
understand her dilemma

603
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,559
before we discuss more dilemmas

604
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,720
let's do our break with kevin d randall

605
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:42,640
with gene and chris you're in the

606
00:22:53,549 --> 00:22:52,630
thank you for listening to gcn

607
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:53,559
visit

608
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,390
no other network provides the level of

609
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:02,880
customer service we do when it comes to

610
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:05,840
radio advertising we are your one-stop

611
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,240
shop and no matter how big or small your

612
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,520
business is we can help email us at

613
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:13,919
advertise at gcnlive.com

614
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,480
and an experienced advertising executive

615
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,159
will help you take the first step

616
00:23:23,149 --> 00:23:20,400
towards driving more customers to your

617
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:23,159
business or website advertise at

618
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,520
gcnlive.com easy affordable effective

619
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,280
are you worried about how dangerous the

620
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,120
world has become in these days of

621
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,360
terrorist attacks natural disasters or

622
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,280
even a future collapse you need to be

623
00:23:39,390 --> 00:23:37,039
medically prepared to keep your family

624
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:39,400
safe i'm joe alton md of

625
00:23:43,270 --> 00:23:41,120
store.doomanbloom.net where you'll find

626
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,280
an entire line of uniquely designed

627
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,520
medical kits and supplies for when help

628
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:47,520
is not on the way for everything from

629
00:23:52,029 --> 00:23:49,120
individual first aid kits to the

630
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:52,039
ultimate family medical bag go to

631
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,840
store.doomanbloom.net today that's

632
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,880
store.doomanbloom.net you'll be glad you

633
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,750
my computer is so slow it's making me

634
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,600
crazy i used to have that problem did

635
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,440
you quit using a computer or did you buy

636
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,840
a new one no i called geeks on site they

637
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,440
made an appointment to visit my home and

638
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,120
showed up the same day you mean they

639
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:13,039
didn't ask you to bring your computer to

640
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,480
a shop that's what happened when i

641
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,320
called a support company geeks on site

642
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,080
can go to your home or business or even

643
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,400
repair your computer online they have 24

644
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,400
7 emergency service if you're having

645
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:24,640
problems with your pc or mac call geeks

646
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,919
on-site 1-800-591-1682

647
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:29,919
our friendly certified computer repair

648
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:32,720
experts are available 24 7. call now for

649
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,559
a free diagnosis 1-800-591-1682

650
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,480
data recovery virus removal and

651
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:40,640
maintenance for all laptops desktops

652
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,039
printers and networks that's geeks on

653
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,039
site for friendly certified computer

654
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,919
repair experts available 24 7 over the

655
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,080
phone or in your home or business just

656
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:53,120
call 1-800-591-1682

657
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,549
i'm nick 1-800-591-1682-1-800-591-1682

658
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,320
a select quote agent with a true story

659
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,760
that could save you hundreds of dollars

660
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,000
a year a woman named linda just called

661
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,440
her husband ray has a 300 000 group life

662
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:11,840
insurance policy but is changing jobs

663
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:14,080
and can't take it with him well i am

664
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,760
partially shot the highly rated term

665
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,600
life insurance companies we represent

666
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,000
and found ray who is 41 and takes

667
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:22,159
medication to control his cholesterol a

668
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:25,840
10-year 500 000 policy for under 26

669
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,159
dollars a month that's almost twice the

670
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,240
coverage for less than half of what he

671
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,320
had paid if select quote hasn't shopped

672
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:34,320
for your life insurance you're probably

673
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:35,679
paying too much

674
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,029
that's 1-800-403-4885

675
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,870
1-800-403-4885

676
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,390
or go to selectquote.com we shop you

677
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,159
save get full details in the example

678
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:55,760
policy slowport.com commercials your

679
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,640
price could vary depending on your

680
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:57,600
health issue and company and other

681
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,640
factors not available in all states

682
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,640
are you worried about your mom or dad

683
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:04,720
living alone in their house

684
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,360
hi i'm joan lunden listen i know how

685
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,840
difficult it is to find senior care for

686
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,159
someone you love that's why i recommend

687
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,120
a free service called a place for mom

688
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,960
they are the nation's largest senior

689
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,880
living referral service

690
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,960
call a place for mom today

691
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,039
to receive free information on senior

692
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:25,360
living communities in your area call a

693
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,510
a place for mom offers free one-on-one

694
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:36,080
advice from local advisors and a

695
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,159
personalized list of senior living

696
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,320
communities you can visit if you have

697
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,559
questions about senior care for your mom

698
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,039
or dad there's a place for answers a

699
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:47,279
place for mom call a place for mom in

700
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,640
the next 10 minutes to get your free

701
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,559
ebook on financing senior care as well

702
00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:52,240
as free information on senior living

703
00:27:06,549 --> 00:26:55,080
communities in your area call

704
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,029
this is jacques valley you're listening

705
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:11,039
to the paracast

706
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,390
with gina and chris and the power cast

707
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:28,320
we have kevin d randall but let me tell

708
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,400
you about the second radio show that we

709
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,960
do the thing that we do is called after

710
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,520
the powercast and the only way you can

711
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:37,760
hear it is to join the powercastplus at

712
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,230
we have other features which we'll go

713
00:27:50,830 --> 00:27:47,039
into later but just check it out check

714
00:27:52,390 --> 00:27:50,840
out the offer the low subscription rates

715
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,400
plus.powercast.com

716
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,640
we're getting updated with kevin d

717
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,919
randall

718
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,600
and we were talking about hillary

719
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,200
clinton and her promise to get to the

720
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,320
bottom of the ufo enigma by seeing what

721
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,080
the government knows if they know

722
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,960
anything we expect nothing to come from

723
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,520
it but kevin do you think

724
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:11,679
obviously in light of roswell that the

725
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:15,840
government has a lot of stuff about ufos

726
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,559
vacillate on that question i know if you

727
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:20,559
look at the project blue book files you

728
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,200
can see that the

729
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,080
investigation was

730
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,159
just riddled with incompetence

731
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,039
or a lack of desire to learn anything at

732
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,000
all they miss obvious bets they throw

733
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,880
out ridiculous explanations

734
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,480
but that seems to be more of a public

735
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,240
relations ploy than anything else let's

736
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:40,399
get the public not talking about ufos

737
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,679
because we can solve everything that

738
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,120
comes in

739
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,200
i'm not sure that uh there is a whole

740
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,600
lot to be uncovered

741
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,600
so it may be

742
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:51,360
that uh

743
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,720
that there isn't there is they aren't

744
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,080
hiding anything the other the other side

745
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,480
of the coin is they have no motivation

746
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,080
to disclose what they have why should

747
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,559
they if if they have an alien spacecraft

748
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:02,000
if they've been attempting to reverse

749
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,360
engineer it if they have a lot of

750
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,279
additional information what is their

751
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:07,200
motivation for revealing any of it

752
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,399
there's no

753
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,799
it

754
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,840
so uh i think they'll if there's

755
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,440
anything to hide they'll just continue

756
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,600
to sit on it and and hillary won't get

757
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,080
any more answers than bill did or any of

758
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,640
the others who've attempted to do that

759
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,880
you know that they have to have quite a

760
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,279
bit of gun camera footage let's say

761
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:28,960
radar returns

762
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,159
instrumented i think data but just

763
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,840
because you know more doesn't mean that

764
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,000
you have figured anything out i think

765
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,480
that they know a lot more than we do in

766
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:40,000
terms of having the data that's why

767
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,600
they're that much more confused than the

768
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,399
average person is about it so the

769
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,120
government's job is to always say they

770
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,880
know and they're in control and they

771
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,399
don't know and they're not in control

772
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:52,080
and so they're not going going to admit

773
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,880
that

774
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,880
so they're actually demotivated from

775
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,720
releasing anything

776
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,399
well remember too the president of the

777
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,720
united states does not have a need to

778
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:02,240
know

779
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,600
if i'm the president of the united

780
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:05,360
states i can find out anything that i

781
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,559
want to know

782
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,480
if you're in a governmental agency and i

783
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,320
ask you a question and you tell me you

784
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,640
have no need to know my next response to

785
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,200
him is you're fired get your deputy in

786
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,880
here and i'll chat with him yeah but

787
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,399
what if it's all in the private sector

788
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,720
all the juicy stuff yeah but it had to

789
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:22,000
come from the government the government

790
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,840
has to know what's going on

791
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,679
if there's ufo visitation they have to

792
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,039
have much more information in the

793
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,120
private sector there's absolutely no way

794
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,279
you can hide that from the president if

795
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,720
i'm the president i'm not going to put

796
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,559
up with this crap you have no need to

797
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,720
know you may lie to me and i may be

798
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,159
convinced by your lies that there's

799
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,159
nothing there which is a whole different

800
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,480
argument but if i ask you a specific

801
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,399
question and you tell me i have no need

802
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,399
no the next words out of my mouth are

803
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,799
you're fired you have a need to go

804
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,720
yeah there you go you have a need to go

805
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:52,480
and if i'm donald trump i've got a lot

806
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,679
of practice

807
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:55,520
telling people they're fired you're

808
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,480
forward you're fired right but the thing

809
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,880
is here is it also possible

810
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,200
that certain intelligence people come to

811
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,600
the president and explain why they can't

812
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:07,039
reveal this

813
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,919
and

814
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,679
they read them in the riot act showing

815
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,360
the consequences

816
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,960
and that may be convincing to the

817
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,000
president

818
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,600
so it's not really saying i you have no

819
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,440
need to know here is why we're keeping

820
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,279
this under wraps

821
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,960
and the president may then say that's a

822
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,799
very good reason thank you very much for

823
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,120
your honesty and we'll move on to a

824
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,080
different arena now but in this case we

825
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:30,000
have bill clinton

826
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,520
who promised to look into it and

827
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,679
supposedly he was given some information

828
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:35,840
he would have been given the riot act we

829
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,279
assume and therefore he would know

830
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,519
and that takes us back to hillary so

831
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,440
wouldn't he say to her you know maybe

832
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,440
you shouldn't look into this or maybe he

833
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,559
already told her i i don't know how much

834
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,399
classified information he may have

835
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,279
shared with her while he was president

836
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:54,880
you know what what is what did they talk

837
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,760
about

838
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,600
in the their private quarters in the

839
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,840
white house well with bill we might be

840
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,519
thinking that whenever he was in the

841
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:03,600
private quarters it wasn't with hillary

842
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,480
uh

843
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,559
that's also true yeah the only thing he

844
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,159
would be saying is come on bring her to

845
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,000
bed we the three of us can have a great

846
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,559
time who cares what the president does

847
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,279
because if you go through even nixon had

848
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,039
someone on the side i had heard once

849
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,960
which some people think

850
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,960
who the hell would it have been i would

851
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,720
if i was female

852
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:24,240
i would want nothing to do with tricky

853
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,519
dick no j edgar hoover in drag

854
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:29,279
well that's a whole different argument

855
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,640
i look at the whole thing and i'm

856
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,000
thinking you know if we if we really

857
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,840
want to motivate disclosure there's

858
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,919
there's nothing to to get the government

859
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,480
to talk to us the only way the situation

860
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,159
will change is if the aliens showed up

861
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,799
and said yeah here we are and then the

862
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,960
government the president or whoever say

863
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,799
yeah we we've been expecting you for the

864
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:49,200
last uh 70 years

865
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,480
okay so

866
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,159
if roswell

867
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,159
involved a crash spaceship and we

868
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,000
recovered it and we recovered possible

869
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,000
dead alien bodies

870
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:01,440
that's closing in on 69 years ago

871
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,480
all right

872
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,080
what have we learned from it is there

873
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:06,960
any evidence anywhere in our society

874
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,600
that we learned one darn thing from that

875
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:10,799
no

876
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,600
say it's probably akin to

877
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,600
a modern time traveler going back to

878
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,240
merlin the magician with a vcr and i say

879
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,799
vcr because it's a much better image

880
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,840
a power pack and a tv set and you show

881
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,000
merlin this black ribbon

882
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,480
and if you know how to access it you get

883
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:33,039
pictures and sound from it but to do

884
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,399
that you have to understand two things

885
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,760
that are invisible electricity and

886
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,279
magnetism

887
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,600
and so i would think that if they've had

888
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,000
access to a government space government

889
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,240
to an alien spacecraft for

890
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:45,919
69 years

891
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,799
that they have not been able to figure

892
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,480
out the codes how to make the things

893
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:52,399
work what information can be derived

894
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,279
from it

895
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,240
if i was to guess i would suggest say

896
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,399
maybe some of our stealth technology was

897
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,919
developed from that

898
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:01,120
based on

899
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:02,240
the

900
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,679
just mere speculation on my part and it

901
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:09,040
seems to me it would be the easiest

902
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,720
thing to understand well here's this

903
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,399
material that doesn't look it doesn't

904
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,919
look like it's metal and it turns out to

905
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,000
be some kind of a composite

906
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,320
that is very lightweight and is more

907
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,720
durable than metal and also she'll just

908
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,639
shoot them a little bit from uh

909
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,119
radar but i don't know that i have seen

910
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,599
nothing in the society that suggests

911
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,720
anything

912
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,240
if it was recovered from roswell's

913
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,879
migrated into our technology that we if

914
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,159
we have that we're still trying to

915
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,679
figure it out

916
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:37,520
so the general assumption here is that

917
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,399
maybe

918
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:41,040
the late colonel corso was not playing

919
00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:44,560
the bag man for some roswell technology

920
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,839
you mean the late lieutenant colonel

921
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,280
corso okay a man who couldn't even get

922
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,040
his own rank right

923
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,560
ouch

924
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,919
well but yeah i look at it from the

925
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,240
point of a military officer

926
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,839
and i understand

927
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,599
these sorts of things i mean if you

928
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:01,119
enter the military as a second

929
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,400
lieutenant

930
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:04,800
unless you are really a dunce you're

931
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,839
going to get promoted to first

932
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,520
lieutenant

933
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:09,040
and if you're really a dunce you're

934
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:10,000
still

935
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,599
promoted to captain but there's a step

936
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,520
between the company grade to the field

937
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:16,880
grade which is

938
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,720
major on up there's a larger step there

939
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,680
but

940
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,440
most the people who will make captain

941
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,280
are going to make major

942
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,920
and there's a slight step to lieutenant

943
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:29,200
colonel

944
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,160
and that because that's the the doorstep

945
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:36,720
to a general officer

946
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,480
so for so corso had to understand that

947
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,160
and he knew that he had not been

948
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,079
promoted to colonel in any way shape or

949
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,240
form there's no evidence to do that

950
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,640
and when he was asked about that on his

951
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,320
book what he should have said is that

952
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,640
was a mistake the publisher made

953
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:54,160
because lieutenant colonels are referred

954
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,599
to as colonel

955
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,800
frequently

956
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,480
and he just should have said the the

957
00:36:01,589 --> 00:36:00,079
publisher made that mistake that wasn't

958
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:01,599
my mistake and everybody would have been

959
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,240
oh okay i got that when i published my

960
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:06,640
first ufo book the ufo case book back in

961
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:09,839
1989 it said on the front cover captain

962
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:13,040
us air force retired and everybody said

963
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,560
well you're not old enough to be retired

964
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,320
from the air force and the joke was

965
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:18,240
actually i was

966
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,440
because

967
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,960
i would have had 20 years and i joined

968
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,800
them joined the army when i was 18 so

969
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:24,640
i'd have had 20 years in by by that

970
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,760
point

971
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,720
but

972
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,119
the publisher misread

973
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,440
you know signing my name usafr for

974
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,640
reserve

975
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:34,960
he thought that meant retired

976
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,440
before the sponsors retire us

977
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,440
okay let's do our break we have kevin d

978
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:41,200
randall and gene and chris

979
00:36:53,790 --> 00:36:52,870
you are listening to gcn

980
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:53,800
visit

981
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:55,260
gcnlive.com today

982
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,040
[Music]

983
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,960
conspiracy journal is your number one

984
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,960
source for the hidden world of the weird

985
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,800
and strange we bring you

986
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,400
thought-provoking and controversial

987
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,880
material for free-thinking individuals

988
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,200
who are seeking what is really going on

989
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,920
in our world today some of this material

990
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,400
may adversely affect you other pieces

991
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,880
are meant to enlighten either way be

992
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:21,280
prepared to be intrigued by such things

993
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,359
as the reality of ufos ghosts strange

994
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:27,680
creatures from time and space hidden

995
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,200
conspiracies time travel nikola tesla

996
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:33,440
suppressed technology and a whole lot

997
00:37:38,829 --> 00:37:34,240
more

998
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,839
website at

999
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,400
conspiracyjournal.com

1000
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,640
there you can sign up for our free

1001
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:45,200
weekly newsletter sent directly to your

1002
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:48,800
email address find out what they don't

1003
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,790
so you've got to take a state

1004
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,160
construction license exam or

1005
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,160
certification can't decide on what books

1006
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,240
or what chapters to study discover right

1007
00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:06,240
now how you can eliminate unnecessary

1008
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,680
books and wasted study time at

1009
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,119
contractorexam.com our study materials

1010
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,440
zero in on state required test topics in

1011
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,680
an effective multiple choice format so

1012
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,359
whether you're a plumber electrician

1013
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:19,440
general contractor or other construction

1014
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,760
related trade

1015
00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:22,560
contractorexam.com will help get you

1016
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,720
prepared visit us at

1017
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,240
www.contractorexam.com today by now you

1018
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,320
know that wireless technology like cell

1019
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,640
phones do in fact pose dangers to the

1020
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,960
health and privacy of everyone block it

1021
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,800
pocket's wide range of products are

1022
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,640
unmatched in providing the protection

1023
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,359
you deserve no scare tactics just common

1024
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,000
sense blockadepocket.com offers quality

1025
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,400
american-made options to alleviate and

1026
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,560
eliminate these invisible dangers learn

1027
00:38:53,710 --> 00:38:50,720
more at blockadepocket.com or call

1028
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:53,720
888-315-9618

1029
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,079
blockadepocket.com enhancing health and

1030
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:02,150
this is an alert if your business or

1031
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,680
church is building this year you're

1032
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,440
about to pay more than you should this

1033
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,119
could mean thousands of dollars more for

1034
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,040
your office retail space church or

1035
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:11,040
warehouse a general steel building can

1036
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,800
save you as much as half the cost and

1037
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,400
time of similar conventional

1038
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,160
construction and we're offering rebates

1039
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,680
of up to twenty thousand dollars to help

1040
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,839
you build today call general steel for

1041
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:21,359
free information that could save you

1042
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,240
thousands call 866 91 steel 866 91 steel

1043
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,440
866 91 steel

1044
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,040
you're fired according to the small

1045
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,680
business administration 75 of small

1046
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,680
businesses plan to eliminate jobs or

1047
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,839
reduce workers hours to part-time you're

1048
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,359
fired according to gallup the

1049
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,880
unemployment rate recently jumped to

1050
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:42,480
nearly nine percent and the

1051
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:44,760
underemployment rate hit a staggering

1052
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,520
17.9 percent you're fired one out of

1053
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,599
three young adults and one out of two

1054
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,200
recent college graduates are

1055
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:53,599
underemployed hello i'm keith abel a

1056
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,880
pharmacist and a home business

1057
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,040
entrepreneur in 2011 i became one of

1058
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,720
those statistics myself instead of

1059
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,079
looking for another job in corporate

1060
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,320
america i joined dr joel waller the dead

1061
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,240
doctors don't lie guy we're creating

1062
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:06,000
steady incomes for ourselves and would

1063
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,839
like to show you how to do the same if

1064
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,280
you want to supplement your current

1065
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,440
income replace your income so you don't

1066
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,040
have to become one of the statistics

1067
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:14,720
then give me a call toll free at

1068
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,030
you're fired don't wait till you hear

1069
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:24,800
those words start creating an extra

1070
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,950
this is dan pillet do you have the irs

1071
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,800
money you can't pay are tax debts

1072
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,720
crippling you i've defended people from

1073
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:37,040
the irs for over 30 years i've helped

1074
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:39,119
thousands and i can help you too i wrote

1075
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,560
the book on irs settlement and i'm

1076
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:42,240
telling you there's no such thing as a

1077
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,920
hopeless case call 834 no tax to finally

1078
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,160
get free of irs debt with the irs's new

1079
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:49,680
programs there's never been a better

1080
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:52,560
time to solve your problem call 834 no

1081
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:56,400
tax that's 800 34 no tax on my website

1082
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,069
hi this is nick pope you're listening to

1083
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,119
the power card

1084
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,520
okay so i know nothing of military ranks

1085
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,359
having not been in the military so the

1086
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,599
point being here is that lieutenant

1087
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,520
colonel corso

1088
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,520
should have corrected the designation of

1089
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,359
colonel on the other hand when his book

1090
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,280
came out he was ill

1091
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,079
and maybe he wasn't paying attention no

1092
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,920
he was saying he was promoted to colonel

1093
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,319
in the when he retired

1094
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:30,000
and he he said because that happens

1095
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,599
frequently well it doesn't happen

1096
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,040
frequently that's that's another

1097
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,480
argument he

1098
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,319
he carried on with the lie he said yeah

1099
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,400
i was pro i was report uh promoted on

1100
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,720
retirement that's not true so he did

1101
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,800
know he understood that he still went

1102
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,560
with the idea he was a colonel my point

1103
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,400
was if he'd have said

1104
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:48,160
that was a mistake made by the publisher

1105
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,599
i retired as lieutenant colonel

1106
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,440
everybody would have been happy

1107
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,839
but now this is just one more problem

1108
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,680
with corso's story

1109
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,000
about his involvement with the roswell

1110
00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:59,760
case and seeing alien bodies and all the

1111
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,560
other nonsense he came up with okay so

1112
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,960
he just made up this for what reason to

1113
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,440
have money left when he died so his

1114
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,440
family would do well

1115
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:11,520
i mean i guess that a lieutenant colonel

1116
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,800
doesn't make a big salary it no it's

1117
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,359
it's not that the salary is designated

1118
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,440
by the government and the steps are

1119
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,680
designated and when you are promoted

1120
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,960
from lieutenant colonel to colonel

1121
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,640
there's not a big jump in the salary

1122
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,040
it's actually a prestige thing

1123
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,960
um because there is a big jump in

1124
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,720
prestige from being a lieutenant colonel

1125
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,079
to a colonel

1126
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,160
so you know that was that was my only

1127
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,680
thought he wanted the prestige of being

1128
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,359
a full colonel when there's all of us

1129
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,800
lieutenant colonels running around out

1130
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,720
there heck i i retired as lieutenant

1131
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,800
colonel that's no big deal

1132
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,359
but um corso wanted wanted to be a

1133
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:46,640
colonel and it thought it brought him

1134
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:50,480
more prestige and in the end it hurt his

1135
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:54,000
uh overall story and his overall claims

1136
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,440
yeah well

1137
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,119
it didn't take much to hurt his claims

1138
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,440
but that is i think kevin i think he

1139
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:02,319
brought up a very telling sort of ego

1140
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,920
possibly related issue there that may

1141
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,560
uh also explain why he even came up with

1142
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:11,040
uh with the whole after roswell book to

1143
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,400
begin with

1144
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,920
that's not even getting into the whole

1145
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,160
uh bill burns uh involvement of course

1146
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,400
of well i think co-writing course corso

1147
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,839
was trying to sell a book called i

1148
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,839
walked with giants and he had a proposal

1149
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,119
and he was out there and he got strong

1150
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,040
thurman to write a uh introduction based

1151
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,280
on that proposal and i think that he

1152
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,040
shopped it around to various publishers

1153
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,680
and they said we don't really care

1154
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,000
and there was a maybe a small portion

1155
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,920
that mentioned

1156
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,839
the roswell case or something about that

1157
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,200
and they said well this this is

1158
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,480
interesting what can you do with that

1159
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:42,319
and so he went he went off the rails on

1160
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,040
that

1161
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,839
my first article on ufos i published i

1162
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:47,440
had written an article

1163
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:49,040
that dealt with just general ufo

1164
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:50,319
sightings

1165
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:51,359
and

1166
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:52,400
the

1167
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,839
three paragraphs on page seven

1168
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:57,040
interested us

1169
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,560
so i went back and looked at the three

1170
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,720
paragraphs and what they wanted was

1171
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:03,040
information on physical evidence

1172
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,400
physical traces

1173
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,240
so i called my good friend carlo renson

1174
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:08,000
and asked for some information and did

1175
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,599
some research and i got a whole bunch of

1176
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,440
cases that dealt with

1177
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,200
physical evidence and resubmitted the

1178
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,520
magazine and they said yeah we like this

1179
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:16,960
but there's too much old stuff we would

1180
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,760
like some new stuff in there so i

1181
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,599
redid the whole thing

1182
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,200
like that and made reference to some of

1183
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,200
the older cases and the final go-around

1184
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,560
they said yeah we like that but we need

1185
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,000
more information on the old stuff so i

1186
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,839
put in all the stuff i'd taken so it

1187
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,839
ended up a longer article but it had new

1188
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:33,119
stuff and old stuff in it but it was

1189
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,319
driven

1190
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,480
not by what i wanted to write but what

1191
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,760
the publisher said they were going to

1192
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,440
buy and if i would do these things they

1193
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,200
would they would send me money for it so

1194
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,920
i was driven by that i think corso was

1195
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,160
the same same way that if he did this

1196
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,599
this and this they would be interested

1197
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,680
in the book so he did that

1198
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:51,200
and that's i think that was the genesis

1199
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,720
of the book

1200
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,480
and they got a hack writer by the name

1201
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,079
of william burns

1202
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,480
to help make it better i think well i

1203
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,560
think the problem there is most people

1204
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:02,079
think they can write and they really

1205
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,119
can't

1206
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,200
and so you need someone i mean if i go

1207
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,720
come to you and i pretend to be an

1208
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,560
artist and i say i

1209
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,240
can't draw a straight line

1210
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,720
you know you can prove that i can't

1211
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,640
i can't do art i can't draw i can't

1212
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,119
paint that sort of thing i may think i

1213
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,720
may think i can be a great writer and

1214
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,400
there's really nothing there that tells

1215
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,200
me that but if i'm if i can't draw i

1216
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,359
pretty well know that and i think that

1217
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:27,040
the one of the problems is corso thought

1218
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,480
just you know it's not that big a deal

1219
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,760
to put everything down on paper and

1220
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,079
let's run with it and i think that the

1221
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,599
the publisher said you know this isn't

1222
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,359
working and we have this other guy and

1223
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,599
we'd like him to sit down with you and

1224
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,160
kind of massage your manuscript

1225
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,920
and that was the genesis of the bill

1226
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,040
burns

1227
00:45:46,829 --> 00:45:46,000
philip corso thing

1228
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,839
now

1229
00:45:50,589 --> 00:45:49,280
openminds.tv is supposedly has the

1230
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:50,599
original

1231
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,599
unadulterated manuscript so just for

1232
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,440
those who want to check it out

1233
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,520
i have i have actually a copy of the

1234
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,520
proposal that they had sent around after

1235
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,280
burns was brought into it

1236
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,960
yeah but he had he has and actually he

1237
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:05,119
had an actual manuscript

1238
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,319
that uh john

1239
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:09,040
rao and and the crew over there uh

1240
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:10,720
i think they published it in a limited

1241
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:13,440
edition uh publishing run

1242
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,040
well the thing that i know i remember

1243
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:16,800
about the proposal is

1244
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,880
corso claimed to be a member of mj12

1245
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,560
oh he did

1246
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,720
yes

1247
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,319
he also claimed to be

1248
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,319
was it the joint chiefs or national

1249
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,000
security council

1250
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:33,200
yeah and that's sort of an iffy thing

1251
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,230
served on the staff of somebody who was

1252
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:39,920
a primary member or something like that

1253
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:41,920
or he was a member of some subcommittee

1254
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,800
that was

1255
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,119
associated with that i often tell people

1256
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:47,200
i studied astronomy under james a van

1257
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,240
allen

1258
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:50,480
which is the truth but it's not exactly

1259
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,680
the whole truth and nothing but the

1260
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,160
truth uh when i studied astronomy at the

1261
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:56,079
university of iowa and when i say study

1262
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:57,280
i took it as one of the core

1263
00:47:01,510 --> 00:47:00,400
requirements for a science

1264
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,520
science

1265
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,119
credit

1266
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,880
van allen was the chairman of the

1267
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,280
department but the instructor was a guy

1268
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,960
named john neff who we often described

1269
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:11,200
as spock's idiot brother because

1270
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,640
he would be writing on the chalkboard

1271
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,400
with one hand and racing what he'd just

1272
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:16,000
written with the other hand as we went

1273
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,040
on

1274
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,119
and and van allen did come down and

1275
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,880
actually chat with us once so i did

1276
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,200
study technically studied astronomy

1277
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,800
under van allen but it's not exactly the

1278
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,000
truth the whole truth and nothing but

1279
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,240
the truth and i think corso's claims to

1280
00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:30,400
have been with the nsa is kind of the

1281
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:32,560
same thing it's well it's just

1282
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,760
here we go

1283
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:35,200
it's just more and more evidence that

1284
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:36,319
the guy

1285
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,400
um had end of life worthiness issues uh

1286
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,880
for lack of a better description um and

1287
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,319
he may have

1288
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:46,160
been motivated to try to create some

1289
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,359
sort of uh

1290
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,839
you know historical footnote for himself

1291
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,119
i think that's

1292
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,119
absolutely correct i mean the guy was

1293
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,599
obviously a good officer uh

1294
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:57,040
you know up

1295
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:58,960
up to his retirement you know he played

1296
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,680
the game he uh he kept his uh

1297
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,400
he kept his um his scandals uh to a

1298
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:07,040
minimum and uh moved up up the the chain

1299
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,160
of command

1300
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:09,760
but um

1301
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:12,480
i guess once once you retire uh and and

1302
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,760
you have

1303
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,119
you don't think you fulfilled your

1304
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:16,800
destiny or something maybe maybe that

1305
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:19,119
could be motivation to go out on a limb

1306
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:19,760
and

1307
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,000
family or whatever the motivations are i

1308
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,559
i've always felt that about corso

1309
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,920
well i thought i've always said i'm

1310
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,280
going to put on my uniform head over to

1311
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,720
wright-patterson air force base and

1312
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,319
stand in front of the atec building and

1313
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:34,000
say yeah i just came in from inside and

1314
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:35,200
saw the little bodies what's the big

1315
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:36,400
deal

1316
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,280
you know

1317
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,839
ooh cool can i can i uh

1318
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,680
give you a secret hidden camera to help

1319
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,160
videotape it well you can you can take

1320
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,400
the pictures for all i care

1321
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:48,160
but i and i've seen that before you know

1322
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,520
we've got lieutenant colonel robert

1323
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,280
french who tells these marvelous stories

1324
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,960
of his involvement with roswell and all

1325
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,960
this stuff and you go back and you look

1326
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,640
at his record he had he had a much

1327
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,640
better military career than either corso

1328
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,000
or i right

1329
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:02,079
he had received the silver star he had

1330
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,280
received a couple of distinguished

1331
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,599
flying crosses uh he went up the chain

1332
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,119
of command fairly well so he had a

1333
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,040
fairly distinguished career and then he

1334
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,680
retired and went nuts yeah claiming all

1335
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,200
this stuff about roswell and he said

1336
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,200
that he'd worked with on project blue

1337
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,960
book and he said he wrote some of blue

1338
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,280
book and i think if anybody was a member

1339
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,640
of the project blue book staff they

1340
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,160
pretty well know that it was the code

1341
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,920
name of the project and not an actual

1342
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,760
blue book

1343
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,280
he said that he and a friend had

1344
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,520
invented a thing in the

1345
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,400
1960s it would give you 50 miles to a

1346
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,599
gallon

1347
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,240
but the oil companies suppressed it

1348
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,559
you know what that's an old old scam

1349
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:40,640
though i used to hear radio ads for

1350
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,079
devices like that

1351
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,359
and my point is he made this claim

1352
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,119
uh he made other claims as well they

1353
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:49,119
just simply did not he said that he had

1354
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,000
um

1355
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,720
he had three flying tours in korea and

1356
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,040
seven in vietnam and you go back and

1357
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,440
look at his military record and he did

1358
00:50:02,790 --> 00:49:59,359
not become a

1359
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,800
fighter pilot until 1950 after 1954 when

1360
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:04,400
he went to flight school so the korean

1361
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,680
war had been ended so what kind of

1362
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,319
flying assignments did he have in korea

1363
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,480
if he in fact served in korea at that

1364
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,200
time his uh his record suggests he was

1365
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,240
he served with the far eastern command

1366
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,119
which was korea but but on the air force

1367
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:20,640
side a lot of those guys were based in

1368
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,680
japan

1369
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,359
it was considered part of the

1370
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,880
part of it it's kind of like the guys

1371
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,800
who were in thailand and

1372
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,280
other places during the vietnam war

1373
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,440
uh sort of where they were assigned to

1374
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:33,440
southeast asia so

1375
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,400
you know

1376
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,760
french was telling those sorts of

1377
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:37,200
stories and

1378
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,960
he had a distinguished career but he had

1379
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,559
to embellish it for some reason and the

1380
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,720
only reason i got involved was because

1381
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,559
he started spouting off about roswell

1382
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,599
and saying things that were just

1383
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,280
preposterous

1384
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:49,359
he's not the first person

1385
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:52,960
who was supposedly a roswell witness or

1386
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:55,520
heard about it who invented stories i

1387
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,720
know even

1388
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,319
recently you've mentioned a couple of

1389
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,559
things over a different perspective

1390
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,240
we'll have more of this and the answer

1391
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,839
and a little bit later some of your

1392
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,760
questions listeners in case you're

1393
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:07,280
wondering we've received those questions

1394
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,240
from our forums at

1395
00:51:12,670 --> 00:51:10,319
forum.thepowercast.com

1396
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,680
once again that's

1397
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,800
forum.thepowercast.com to participate in

1398
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:16,800
discussions and ask questions of our

1399
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:19,920
guests we've got kevin d randall who has

1400
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,960
written many many books fact and fiction

1401
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,200
a variety of subjects including ufos and

1402
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,800
considered one of the pre-eminent

1403
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,000
researchers

1404
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:31,040
about roswell you have gene and you have

1405
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:43,910
thank you for listening to gcn

1406
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:45,240
be sure to visit

1407
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,079
gcnlive.com today

1408
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,079
attack of the rockoids has been well

1409
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,400
received by critics and readers alike

1410
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,000
it's a thrill a minute story you'll

1411
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,440
never forget

1412
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,359
a former u.s military intelligence

1413
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:59,839
officer is haunted by intense dreams

1414
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,400
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

1415
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,720
help after a terrible battle in outer

1416
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,839
space

1417
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,000
but the dreams turn out to be true and

1418
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:09,920
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

1419
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,640
with a woman whose far away planet is

1420
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,119
intent on destroying the earth

1421
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:17,520
and now the gripping tale continues in

1422
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,079
the coming of the protectors it's the

1423
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,640
second book of the rockoids trilogy a

1424
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,800
galaxy spanning adventure that pits our

1425
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,119
hapless heroes against powerful

1426
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,359
fanatical enemies that threaten the

1427
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:31,280
lives of freedom-loving beings

1428
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,480
everywhere

1429
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:35,119
attack of the rockoids and the coming of

1430
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,079
the protectors classic science fiction

1431
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:40,559
at its best available now

1432
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:43,760
for more details visit rockoids.com

1433
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:46,640
that's rock oid

1434
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,309
would you like to receive 250 to 1 000

1435
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,119
cash per day go to richmondrich.com no

1436
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:57,280
website no selling no explaining just

1437
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,960
take these simple two steps and go to

1438
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,280
richmondrich.com you can be generating

1439
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:03,359
cash in the next 24 hours simply using

1440
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,400
this system good news is it runs on 100

1441
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,000
autopilot and you don't need any

1442
00:53:11,950 --> 00:53:10,319
experience to get started it's easy get

1443
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,960
your share of easy riches and go to

1444
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,280
richmondrich.com that's

1445
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,920
richmoneyrich.com go now brought to you

1446
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,359
by the conservative investor current

1447
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,440
returns not indicative of future results

1448
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,119
there's nothing more enticing and

1449
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,040
intoxicating than the finest meat

1450
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:25,359
cooking on an open flame freeze-dried

1451
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,880
meat from newharvest.com is us grown 100

1452
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,119
all natural with no extra fillers just

1453
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:33,200
grass-fed beef and free-range chicken

1454
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,200
guaranteed to stay fresh and delicious

1455
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,960
add new harvest freeze dried meats to

1456
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,880
your current food storage you'll buy

1457
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,559
direct from the factory not a third

1458
00:53:45,069 --> 00:53:42,400
party ensuring the best price and the

1459
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,079
highest quality see all our products at

1460
00:53:50,570 --> 00:53:46,559
newharvestfoods.com that's

1461
00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:56,470
[Music]

1462
00:54:03,430 --> 00:53:59,750
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1463
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,440
standard of paranormal radio

1464
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:04,640
and now

1465
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,510
we have kevin d randall

1466
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,599
joining us on the power cast this week

1467
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:17,599
and i asked a question before our break

1468
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,559
kevin

1469
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:20,319
you've mentioned from time to time there

1470
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:23,200
were people supposed roswell figures

1471
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,160
who made up some of it or all of it

1472
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,920
doesn't that make it all the more

1473
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,359
difficult to figure out whatever

1474
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:32,079
happened there oh absolutely there's no

1475
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,359
question about it and you have to look

1476
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,640
at the witnesses

1477
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:36,640
and what they have to say uh

1478
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:39,760
about the whole thing i just completed a

1479
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,480
book which is due out july 16th called

1480
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,640
roswell in the 21st century

1481
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,640
where i looked at the case as a cold

1482
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,240
case let's go back through the notes

1483
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,520
let's go back through the interviews

1484
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,440
let's go back to all the information

1485
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,599
that's been published on this and see

1486
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,119
what we have

1487
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,760
when we're done doing that and it is a

1488
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,359
very disheartening

1489
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,520
look at the roswell case because you

1490
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,200
find so many of the

1491
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,559
witnesses that told the best stories

1492
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:08,960
were basically lying about it yeah

1493
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,440
wasn't that the idea behind the uh i

1494
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,760
know you hate the term uh the formation

1495
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,280
of the dream team

1496
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:18,000
yes no i don't hate the term it just it

1497
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,839
broke apart it what what happened there

1498
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,640
was

1499
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:23,119
we were all in roswell and tom kerry

1500
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,400
said to me one afternoon you want to go

1501
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,240
to church's fried chicken for

1502
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:28,079
lunch and not being stupid i'm not going

1503
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,599
to turn down a chance to go to church's

1504
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,760
fried chicken so he proposed to me that

1505
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,599
we write what he thought of as the

1506
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:35,359
ultimate roswell book

1507
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,119
and i said yeah i've been thinking about

1508
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,440
that myself i did not say at the time

1509
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,960
that i had already made the proposal to

1510
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,720
a publisher

1511
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,480
fortunately for me the publisher didn't

1512
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:46,240
want to do books that dealt with a

1513
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:47,839
single case they'd like to have multiple

1514
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,240
cases so that kind of freed me up from

1515
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,559
having to worry about what do i do now

1516
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,000
so tom kerry and i were going to sit

1517
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,240
down and and do the ultimate roswell

1518
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,440
book and the next thing i know he's

1519
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,440
invited in don schmidt

1520
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:01,200
because don was his partner and he felt

1521
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,799
some loyalty to don

1522
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,480
we decided that well maybe we ought to

1523
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,559
have david rudiak involved because of

1524
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:08,880
his encyclopedic knowledge of

1525
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,440
lots of the minutia of roswell boy he

1526
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,559
does too

1527
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,559
and we wanted a skeptic and so we we

1528
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,400
kind of talked to chris rakowski about

1529
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:18,480
it and he said yeah he'd come on board

1530
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,200
but it all broke apart when it turned

1531
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:22,960
out that they weren't being exactly

1532
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,760
honest with me so well in the inclusion

1533
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,559
of anthony bergalia too well he wasn't

1534
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,799
really a part of the dream team

1535
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,440
anthony is a very tenacious researcher

1536
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,839
you know i had no problem with with tony

1537
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,760
being involved in this thing

1538
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,160
but it turned out i'd announced on my

1539
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,920
blog that we would we were forming this

1540
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:43,920
dream team to reinvestigate the roswell

1541
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:47,119
case and i'd gotten not long after that

1542
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,040
a a package in the mail of a book a ufo

1543
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,359
book from a publisher it had a business

1544
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:55,200
card analysis with you know with my

1545
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,319
compliments

1546
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:57,760
i got home and i was looking at and

1547
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:59,359
dropped the card and it was fell on his

1548
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,040
back and he and i said if you don't have

1549
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,720
a publisher for your book let me know i

1550
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,720
mean here's a hardback publisher

1551
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,640
wanting to do our roswell book and i'm

1552
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,040
all for this thing yeah let's get going

1553
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,200
but tom was busy doing a book with don

1554
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,599
on wright-patterson air force base and

1555
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:16,000
couldn't get involved with that

1556
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:18,079
and then later on we i discovered that

1557
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,280
they had been withholding the

1558
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,079
information on the uh so-called roswell

1559
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,720
slides or the not roswell slides from me

1560
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:26,559
we were in roswell on

1561
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,079
in 2012. i we sat down to have a meeting

1562
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,400
the three of us tom don and me and i

1563
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:34,480
said to make this thing work we have to

1564
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,880
have something new we have to have a new

1565
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:38,559
witness we have to have something going

1566
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:39,520
on

1567
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:42,400
that separates this book from everything

1568
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,200
that's

1569
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,200
happened in the past they said not a

1570
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:47,760
word to me they did tell david rudiak

1571
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,960
they showed him a inkjet scan of one of

1572
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:52,640
the slides and let him know about it

1573
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,680
said nothing to me i learned about this

1574
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,160
through other means later on

1575
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,920
that was kind of what broke apart the

1576
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,440
dream team was they were being less than

1577
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,079
candid with me about what they knew and

1578
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:06,799
where it came from and it turns out i'm

1579
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,599
i'm delighted that we severed ties

1580
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,000
before this whole roswell thing blew up

1581
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,839
because that's exactly what it had done

1582
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:15,520
was blow up and i think it's tarnished

1583
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:16,880
the reputation of those who were

1584
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,079
involved in it

1585
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:20,240
although not to the degree it probably

1586
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:21,599
should have

1587
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,319
now what have we learned from not the

1588
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:27,200
roswell slides why was it so easy for

1589
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,119
some people to fall for this thing

1590
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,760
because when i look at it in retrospect

1591
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,359
there's nothing there there didn't seem

1592
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,200
to be anything there

1593
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,000
i think that tom carrey got caught up in

1594
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,079
his own enthusiasms

1595
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,480
he wanted to be the guy that breaks the

1596
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:44,880
case open he wanted to be the guy that

1597
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,280
says here is the evidence it's

1598
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:50,079
irrefutable here is what we have in fact

1599
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:51,520
he said things the skeptics are going to

1600
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:54,880
be crying when they see the full slides

1601
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,280
according to them they never saw the

1602
00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:59,839
slide they were working from scans of

1603
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,240
the slides and i'm thinking there's a

1604
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:04,640
big red flag guys if you you should be

1605
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,920
able to say to the guy let's see the

1606
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,760
slide projected on the wall and i think

1607
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,280
if that had happened then i read the

1608
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,680
placard which says you know the the uh

1609
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,920
mummified two-year-old child that would

1610
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:15,599
have been the end of the story but they

1611
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,839
got they got wrapped up in this story

1612
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:20,160
and it's sort of ever

1613
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:23,359
shifting uh sans and how the slides came

1614
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,720
about where they were and what

1615
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,960
investigation was being taken place i

1616
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,880
remember one time

1617
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:30,799
and it's kind of

1618
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:33,200
shown historically on my blog when it

1619
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,559
happened i had said something about we

1620
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:38,400
could get the coatings off the off the

1621
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,599
slides

1622
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,760
and i was told well that had been done

1623
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:42,960
that they had the coatings and i said

1624
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:45,040
well did yo if you remove them from the

1625
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,040
from the mounts then you've kind of

1626
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,960
destroyed the the evidence they say oh

1627
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:50,319
you only removed one of them and i

1628
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:51,920
thought well that was probably smart i

1629
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,599
said but the coatings match and i found

1630
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,359
out later that the coatings they said

1631
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,920
was on the slide actually referred to

1632
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:00,240
motion picture film and not slide film

1633
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,280
but when you saw that slide there were

1634
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,040
no coatings on it at all you had a

1635
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,040
number nine and a couple of things like

1636
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,119
that so you see the whole

1637
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,760
slide frame outside the mount and it

1638
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:13,920
didn't say the things that we had been

1639
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:16,559
told they it said and this is kind of

1640
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:19,520
all um shown on the blog the real

1641
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,920
culprits in this were adam do

1642
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,760
and i forget beeson's first beeson's

1643
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,599
first name at the moment but these were

1644
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:27,200
the guys that came up with the slide and

1645
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:28,480
they were the ones that contacted

1646
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,920
various researchers and they were the

1647
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,079
ones that got tom carrey and don schmidt

1648
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,799
involved there were red flags all along

1649
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,160
the way

1650
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,640
that neither tom nor don saw and i think

1651
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,559
they were again caught up in this idea

1652
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,400
that we're now going we're on the verge

1653
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:44,240
of proving the case we've got a

1654
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:45,680
photograph

1655
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,400
of the alien creature being held in some

1656
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,119
kind of a facility governmental facility

1657
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,280
i remember being told that it had there

1658
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:56,000
was a green army blanket involved in it

1659
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:58,319
was laying on a green army blanket

1660
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,319
things like that which turned out not to

1661
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,720
be true when we finally saw the slides

1662
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,079
and they made the big deal about how

1663
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,400
we've tried to de-blur or or read this

1664
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,400
placard on the on the slide and we just

1665
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:10,319
can't do it that's because it was

1666
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,799
manipulated to the point where it would

1667
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:14,640
have been impossible to read it by

1668
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:16,720
anybody until due

1669
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,040
to prove something the day after the

1670
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:21,440
great fiasco in new mexico city

1671
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,559
published

1672
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,960
one of the slides on his website and

1673
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:26,799
that was what gave everybody the

1674
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,200
opportunity to to blur the placard and

1675
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,680
see see what exactly it said

1676
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,520
so i mean there was a lot of problems

1677
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,040
with this thing that should have raised

1678
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:37,440
red flags from the very beginning

1679
01:01:42,549 --> 01:01:40,480
and don and tom just never really seemed

1680
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:42,559
to see those flags they were so

1681
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:46,000
focused on we have the proof

1682
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,839
that they didn't stop to think that well

1683
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:49,839
isn't this a little odd

1684
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,920
that these two civilians wandered

1685
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:54,000
through this army facility and taking

1686
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,280
pictures of

1687
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,440
this display of an alien creature for

1688
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,680
some reason and were allowed to keep the

1689
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,359
camera and the film when they left the

1690
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,200
facility are allowed into the facility

1691
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,960
with a camera and a film and how did

1692
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,480
they get the clearance to get in there i

1693
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:08,559
mean all kinds of questions you should

1694
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:09,599
have asked

1695
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:11,839
for which there were no good answers and

1696
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,160
and uh i told tom

1697
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,839
and i told don and i mentioned it on my

1698
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,680
blog a number of times that i thought

1699
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:19,920
this was going to end up badly i didn't

1700
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:21,440
think it would blow up quite as quickly

1701
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,920
as it did but the minute

1702
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:25,599
almost a minute

1703
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,760
that outside researchers had an

1704
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:29,920
opportunity to look at the slides to see

1705
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,240
anything about the slides

1706
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:34,960
the placard was the blurred and it was

1707
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:37,520
answered tony begalia who you mentioned

1708
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:40,000
earlier was was instrumental in helping

1709
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:41,200
find

1710
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:42,319
the

1711
01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:45,680
it was shepherd johnson who actually

1712
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,640
foyed the park service and got this long

1713
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:51,760
180 page

1714
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,359
paper or booklet on the whole history

1715
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,200
of that that

1716
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:59,359
the recovery of the mummy and where it

1717
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,799
went and what it was done and how it was

1718
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,400
recovered and photographs from it from

1719
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:05,280
1897 for crying out loud and kevin did

1720
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:06,799
you know that all that took place less

1721
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,390
is that right yeah i live just a mile

1722
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:14,240
from montezuma's castle

1723
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:15,440
boy

1724
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,359
you've been there right

1725
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,680
many times i can see it uh from the top

1726
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,599
of the hill just a couple blocks away

1727
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:23,119
and

1728
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:26,799
yavapai

1729
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:29,520
um i've been kind of quietly working uh

1730
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,760
the back channels to get in the basement

1731
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:32,799
to actually

1732
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:35,599
get a selfie

1733
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,720
we'll talk about the selfie or not

1734
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,640
in our next segment with kevin randall

1735
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:42,240
and gene and chris you're in the

1736
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,309
do you need a website well you can get a

1737
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:52,720
great deal on hosting services with

1738
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:55,599
namecheap's legendary coupon code

1739
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:57,359
they're offering substantial hosting

1740
01:04:02,630 --> 01:03:59,359
discounts on shared hosting business

1741
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:02,640
hosting vps hosting reseller hosting and

1742
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:05,280
even dedicated servers name cheap is

1743
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:07,599
preferred by millions it's backed by a

1744
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:11,039
money back guarantee use the coupon code

1745
01:04:15,789 --> 01:04:13,359
legendary to cash in on this special

1746
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,799
deal at namecheap.com

1747
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:18,000
namecheap.com first game attack of the

1748
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,520
rockoids and it was a critically

1749
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,599
acclaimed success and now there is the

1750
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,520
coming of the protectors a former

1751
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,680
military intelligence man is contacted

1752
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:28,079
by a space woman in a dream a dream that

1753
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:30,559
turns out to be a nightmare because evil

1754
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:32,160
forces on her distant planet are

1755
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,319
planning to conquer the earth this is

1756
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,640
gripping science fiction of the classic

1757
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,880
kind attack of the rochoids and the

1758
01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:41,039
coming of the protectors find out more

1759
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:44,200
at rockoaids.com that's rockoids

1760
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,960
r-o-c-k-o-i-d-s dot com i'm nick

1761
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:48,960
sowoleski a select quote agent with a

1762
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:50,480
true story that could save you hundreds

1763
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:52,400
of dollars a year a woman named linda

1764
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,520
just called her husband ray has a 300

1765
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:58,160
000 group life insurance policy but is

1766
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,559
changing jobs and can't take it with him

1767
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:02,480
well i am partially shot the highly

1768
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,160
rated term life insurance companies we

1769
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:06,880
represent and found ray who is 41 and

1770
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:08,319
takes medication to control his

1771
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:12,160
cholesterol a 10-year 500 000 policy for

1772
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:15,359
under 26 a month that's almost twice the

1773
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,440
coverage for less than half of what he

1774
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:19,520
had paid if select quote hasn't shopped

1775
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:21,520
for your life insurance you're probably

1776
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:22,880
paying too much

1777
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:35,190
that's 1-800-403-4885

1778
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:37,029
eight 1-800-403-4885 or go to select

1779
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:40,559
quote dot com we shop you save get full

1780
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:42,480
details in the example policy slogan.com

1781
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:43,440
commercials your price could vary

1782
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,559
depending on your health issuing company

1783
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:45,839
and other factors not available in all

1784
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:50,069
paid an attorney spokesperson adam

1785
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:51,119
poliski of the valencia law firm with

1786
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:52,160
principal office and used to text us the

1787
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:53,039
attorney responsible for the content of

1788
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:54,079
this assad this ad is not legal advice

1789
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:54,880
and the choice of lawyers should not be

1790
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:56,079
based only on advertisement services may

1791
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,359
not be available in all states attention

1792
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,440
zarato users if you or a loved one took

1793
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,359
xarelto and suffered a serious bleeding

1794
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:03,039
event you may be entitled to financial

1795
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:05,039
compensation xarelto is a popular

1796
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,240
prescription blood thinner used to

1797
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:07,920
prevent blood clots and protect patients

1798
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:09,280
from strokes these serious bleeding

1799
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,720
events have led to numerous cases of

1800
01:06:15,069 --> 01:06:12,480
hospitalization and even death phone

1801
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:15,079
lines are open 24 7. call

1802
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:18,880
800-261-0937 that's 800-261-0

1803
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:21,039
did you know a dirty cpap system can

1804
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,039
make you sick if you knew what could be

1805
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:25,039
growing in your mask and hose you might

1806
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,839
not sleep so well but now soclean.com

1807
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:29,760
has released the world's first and only

1808
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:32,319
automated cpap cleaner and sanitizer it

1809
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:35,680
kills 99.9 percent of all cpap germs and

1810
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,839
it's completely hands-free for a limited

1811
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:40,079
time you can try so clean risk-free for

1812
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,400
30 days just call 1-800-900-0684

1813
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,640
so clean changed the cpap experience for

1814
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,640
the better my health has improved it's

1815
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,319
simple to use and i'm not worried about

1816
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:52,640
infections soclean destroys cpap

1817
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:54,880
bacteria viruses and germs with no

1818
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:56,960
hassle never have to clean your machine

1819
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,280
by hand again there's no water chemicals

1820
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:01,599
or disassembly just pop in your mask

1821
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,000
close the lid and presto your cpap

1822
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,160
system is clean and fresh in minutes

1823
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,559
call soclean.com to try it risk-free at

1824
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,960
home for 30 days this is a limited time

1825
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,720
offer only available by calling

1826
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:15,280
1-800-900

1827
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,240
there's nothing more enticing and

1828
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:22,160
intoxicating than the finest meat

1829
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,559
cooking on an open flame freeze-dried

1830
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,200
meat from newharvest.com is u.s grown

1831
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:30,000
100 all-natural with no extra fillers

1832
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:32,000
just grass-fed beef and free-range

1833
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:33,599
chicken guaranteed to stay fresh and

1834
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:35,680
delicious add new harvest freeze-dried

1835
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:37,599
meats to your current food storage

1836
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:39,359
you'll buy direct from the factory not a

1837
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:41,440
third party ensuring the best price and

1838
01:07:44,190 --> 01:07:43,599
the highest quality see all our products

1839
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:44,200
at

1840
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,029
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

1841
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:55,520
comment or question about the paracast

1842
01:08:02,309 --> 01:07:59,039
send it to news at the paracast.com

1843
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,319
that's news at theparacast.com

1844
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:04,160
and don't forget to visit our famous

1845
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:06,640
paracast community forums at

1846
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,349
i asked what would our earth be like

1847
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:15,520
without selfies i don't know i just

1848
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,080
think that one of the other reasons why

1849
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,880
people fell for this is the desperation

1850
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,400
after all these years we don't have a

1851
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,400
smoking gun my heavens

1852
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:26,159
this has got to be it

1853
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:27,359
well

1854
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:29,040
way beyond that when you start trying to

1855
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,080
fill a stadium in another country i mean

1856
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:34,000
that that to me is the death knell for

1857
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:37,359
any sort of gravitas or any

1858
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,120
any legitimacy

1859
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,880
that was strictly to sell tickets of

1860
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,759
course

1861
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,359
but but it's worse than than you guys

1862
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:45,359
know i mean we've looked at this roswell

1863
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:46,319
case and we've searched for

1864
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:47,759
documentation

1865
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:50,000
i've been involved since 1989 and we've

1866
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:51,600
searched for documentation the only

1867
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:54,719
thing we have is that stupid fbi telex

1868
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:56,719
that tells us nothing we've got the

1869
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,960
photographs in raimi's office which is

1870
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:00,960
obviously of a balloon and a degraded

1871
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,600
ray win target and an attempt to read

1872
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:05,120
the raimi memo

1873
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,719
what does the memo say i mean the

1874
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:08,400
document he's holding in his hands and

1875
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,400
we have been unable to resolve that to

1876
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:12,319
the point where we can say this is what

1877
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,040
it says we have absolutely no positive

1878
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,120
documentation at all nobody wrote a

1879
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:19,199
letter home that can be dated nobody

1880
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,799
kept a journal or a diary with the

1881
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,880
exception apparently of ruth barnett

1882
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,960
whose diary tells us absolutely nothing

1883
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:26,799
about barney barnett seeing a crafting

1884
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:27,839
bodies

1885
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:30,080
we've come up with no documentation

1886
01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:31,440
we've had

1887
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:33,920
many many wonderful stories told by

1888
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,839
witnesses that were deeply involved only

1889
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,279
to learn that they

1890
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:39,199
were not involved at all and were making

1891
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,719
up their tales

1892
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,480
for the 15 minutes of fame or to get

1893
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:44,560
their faces on television or for

1894
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,960
whatever reason when we get down to the

1895
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,640
bottom what we have in the roswell case

1896
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,880
is some testimonies that are

1897
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,199
not all that exciting the case has

1898
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:55,760
devolved to the point where it is

1899
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,080
really just another ufo

1900
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,560
case with a smaller cast of witnesses

1901
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:02,640
who didn't see much of anything

1902
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,120
so what do we now know after all these

1903
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:07,679
years and after disassembling

1904
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:10,320
the testimony that's questionable today

1905
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:12,640
what do we know about roswell that we

1906
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,679
think is correct uh something foul

1907
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:17,520
the government recovered it whatever it

1908
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,480
was

1909
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,080
and some people saw it

1910
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,239
you know we really have nothing beyond

1911
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:24,400
that uh you've got william woody for

1912
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:26,080
example saying see seeing something

1913
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,520
falling

1914
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:29,520
from the sky in that time frame

1915
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,600
may have been a meteor may not from his

1916
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:34,320
descriptions he went out with his father

1917
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:36,719
he was a youngster at the time to to try

1918
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:39,280
to find where this thing fell

1919
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,440
and saw the military according so the

1920
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,199
government had the area cordoned off for

1921
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:45,360
a period of time we got a lot of stories

1922
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,760
like that and and stories that that

1923
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,760
smack of telling the truth

1924
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,840
but then we end up with all kinds of

1925
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:54,000
stuff that's irrelevant there's a guy

1926
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:56,000
named lee reeves i think it was who

1927
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,000
claimed that he went with frankie rose's

1928
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,239
father out to see the crash bodies and

1929
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:01,760
they drove the

1930
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:04,320
makeshift tanker truck thing that the

1931
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,719
roswell fire department had out there no

1932
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:08,480
indication of the documentation that's

1933
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:09,679
true

1934
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,679
everything in the in the fire department

1935
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:13,360
was logged

1936
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:15,840
again it was tony who found um

1937
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:17,840
one of the firefighters from that time

1938
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,360
frame who knew

1939
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,280
who knew dan dwyer who was frankie rose

1940
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,679
father carl flock mentions this guy in

1941
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:25,520
his book in a foot no how he talked to

1942
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,960
three firefighters and said they didn't

1943
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,960
go out on this run and nothing happened

1944
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,320
yeah i was talking to the guy and i'd

1945
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,159
get the same answers that karl flock had

1946
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:33,840
until i asked one question i said do you

1947
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:36,239
know dan dwyer so yeah he went out and i

1948
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:37,360
said what

1949
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:38,640
like i said yeah he took his personal

1950
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:40,159
car and drove out said some colonel from

1951
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,760
the base it's always a colonel never a

1952
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,920
captain never a major always a colonel

1953
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:45,840
came out from the base and told us uh we

1954
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:47,120
didn't have to bother with it they had

1955
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:48,880
it covered but dan went out there in his

1956
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:51,360
personal car well then along comes lee

1957
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,880
reeves and it's not lee reeves it's

1958
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:54,560
actually his son

1959
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,080
saying that yeah my father went out

1960
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:58,560
there with dan dwyer well dan dwyer

1961
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,560
didn't go out in this pickup truck

1962
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,320
tanker thing that reeves talked about he

1963
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:04,000
went out with he went in his personal

1964
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:05,679
car according to the other witness who

1965
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:07,520
was involved in who i can actually put

1966
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,560
in the fire department in july of 1947.

1967
01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:12,239
uh you know you've got all of that kind

1968
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:14,080
of stuff going on so we've

1969
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:15,920
we've got all these people and you can

1970
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:18,080
line up the name of witnesses and you go

1971
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:19,840
right down it and pretty well draw your

1972
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,679
draw line through all of them what i

1973
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,520
learned by going back through all this

1974
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,600
material is jesse marcel senior had a

1975
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:27,679
tendency to embellish

1976
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,719
the place it comes out most clearly

1977
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:32,880
is in linda corley's book which was for

1978
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,280
the sake of my country where she's

1979
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:37,040
interviewing marcel and his wife and

1980
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,400
they're sitting there she was in the in

1981
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:40,640
in their house for like four hours

1982
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:43,280
uh interviewing him about this event and

1983
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:44,719
marcel starts talking about

1984
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,480
accommodations he had received and he

1985
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:48,239
was began to mention this accommodation

1986
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,320
he'd gotten for performing an

1987
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:51,920
appendectomy

1988
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,199
vo marcel

1989
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:55,520
jesse's senior's wife said oh not the

1990
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,840
accompany story again

1991
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:59,520
but there's no combination in his file

1992
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:00,960
suggesting that he ever performed this

1993
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:03,520
emergency appendectomy on on some

1994
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,280
soldier while taking instructions over

1995
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:07,360
the radio that i mean that sounds like

1996
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,880
something right out of hollywood but it

1997
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,400
also indicates

1998
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:12,320
that jesse marcel tended to embellish

1999
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:13,120
stuff

2000
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:15,040
he said he'd flown as a pilot i have no

2001
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,239
problem with that having been in

2002
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:18,640
aviation myself army aviation

2003
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:20,560
i can tell people i flew as a door

2004
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,960
gunner if you look at my military record

2005
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,800
you find nothing that says i flew it was

2006
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,159
a door gunner because i was assigned as

2007
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,640
a helicopter pilot but periodically we

2008
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,880
had to fill in other positions

2009
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:33,040
i wasn't on orders for as a door gun or

2010
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,239
anything i filled in as a door gunner on

2011
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,239
a couple of missions because they needed

2012
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,120
a body in the in the aircraft and i

2013
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,760
remember teaching the crew chief on my

2014
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:46,080
helicopter having him get some stick

2015
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:47,760
time up front so he could say he'd flown

2016
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,600
as a helicopter pilot so when marcel

2017
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,760
says he flew as a pilot i have no

2018
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,840
problem with that when he says he has 3

2019
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,280
000 hours

2020
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:56,800
as a pilot and there's absolutely no

2021
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:59,040
record of it then that becomes a bit

2022
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,400
problematic that seems like an

2023
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:02,719
extraordinary amount of time i mean i

2024
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:05,120
was a military pilot i don't have three

2025
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:07,280
thousand hours of flight time

2026
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:09,920
now let's just break this down here okay

2027
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,880
so when it comes to alleged bodies found

2028
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:15,040
in connection with roswell we can't nail

2029
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:16,719
that down that seems correct is that

2030
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:19,520
correct there are tales of bodies out

2031
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:21,040
there there's tales told by a number of

2032
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:23,440
people i am just not sure how reliable

2033
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:25,840
the tales are and the majority of those

2034
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,199
stories are told by second and third

2035
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:29,040
hand witness in other words it's a

2036
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:30,239
family member

2037
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,040
saying my father told me about this and

2038
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:35,040
so now we've got it translated through

2039
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:37,120
another person and we don't know exactly

2040
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,400
what the

2041
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:39,840
parent said

2042
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,880
or the uncle or whomever said precisely

2043
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,960
about that all we have it is from a

2044
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:46,480
third party who may have overheard a

2045
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:47,920
conversation may not even have been

2046
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:50,000
involved in the conversation

2047
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:51,520
therefore we're also dealing with the

2048
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:52,560
fact that

2049
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:55,120
the real roswell stories

2050
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:57,360
didn't come out until what 30 years

2051
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:00,560
after the thing happened in the late 70s

2052
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,920
in 78 jesse marcel

2053
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:05,679
had been telling his

2054
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:07,520
ham radio buddies that he'd picked up

2055
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:09,360
pieces of a flying saucer well that's

2056
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,880
true it's in the newspaper he picked up

2057
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:13,199
pieces of a flying saucer it's just what

2058
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,199
was the flying saucer pieces he picked

2059
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,600
up okay so let's just break this down

2060
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,600
okay we're halfway through the show

2061
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:21,600
that's why i'm kind of pushing through

2062
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:24,239
this let's look at the conclusions

2063
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:25,920
something crashed at roswell but we

2064
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:28,159
can't prove it was a spaceship could

2065
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,199
have been a

2066
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:31,520
test aircraft of some kind we've looked

2067
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,520
into that we can find nothing to suggest

2068
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,239
that and i would think that in 1994 when

2069
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,320
the air force did their big roswell

2070
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:40,400
investigation had they found something

2071
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,000
that plausible they would have trotted

2072
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,480
it out at that time and they looked at

2073
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:46,560
that idea as did we i mean i spent a lot

2074
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,400
of time at white sands missile range for

2075
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,920
example going through their records on

2076
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:51,679
their missile launches wonder if it

2077
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:53,440
might been some experiment that had gone

2078
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:54,800
awry because it wouldn't have been the

2079
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:57,440
first time something like that happened

2080
01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:00,239
we looked at you know every explanation

2081
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:01,920
we could think of

2082
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,199
that would be classified at the time

2083
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:07,280
that we we might be able to get a handle

2084
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:09,040
on i mean what kind of aircraft would

2085
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:11,920
you have been experimenting on in 1947

2086
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:14,320
that the technology wouldn't be far

2087
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,110
what kind of technology would not be

2088
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:21,360
obsolete by this time is you know there

2089
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,080
i am getting tripped up in my own syntax

2090
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:25,920
we have more syntax to give you ladies

2091
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:28,719
and gentlemen amazing syntax in our next

2092
01:16:38,750 --> 01:16:30,960
segment with kevin d randall and gene

2093
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:39,830
[Applause]

2094
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:43,360
thank you for listening to gcn

2095
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:47,440
be sure to visit gcnlive.com today

2096
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:49,920
i'm jesse gonzalez vice president kmart

2097
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:52,000
did you know that premature birth is the

2098
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:53,760
number one killer of babies in the

2099
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:56,320
united states or the survivors can face

2100
01:17:01,990 --> 01:16:58,719
a lifetime of serious health problems

2101
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:02,000
but you can help join me in kmart for

2102
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:04,239
the march for babies walk we'll work

2103
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:06,800
together to raise funds for research and

2104
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,199
programs that help the merchandise fight

2105
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,679
premature birth and birth defects and

2106
01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:13,920
improve the health of moms and babies

2107
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:15,880
start your team today at

2108
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:18,320
marchforbabies.org are you worried about

2109
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,159
how dangerous the world has become in

2110
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,480
these days of terrorist attacks natural

2111
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,640
disasters or even a future collapse you

2112
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,320
need to be medically prepared to keep

2113
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,560
your family safe i'm joe alton md of

2114
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:30,560
store dot store.doomanbloom.net where

2115
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,719
you'll find an entire line of uniquely

2116
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,800
designed medical kits and supplies for

2117
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,719
when help is not on the way for

2118
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:38,320
everything from individual first aid

2119
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:40,560
kits to the ultimate family medical bag

2120
01:17:44,669 --> 01:17:41,880
go to

2121
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,679
store.doomanbloom.net today that's

2122
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:46,719
store.doomanbloom.net you'll be glad you

2123
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:52,550
do you have dry hands or itchy peeling

2124
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:55,120
skin are your cracked feet in need of a

2125
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:58,400
makeover for sandal season hi my name is

2126
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:01,679
diane cook the creator of bee spa hand

2127
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:05,520
in foot cream bee spot is all natural 16

2128
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:08,239
beeswax marigold extract and other

2129
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:10,880
essential oils and nutrients bee spa is

2130
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:13,040
great for exceptionally dry hands and

2131
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:15,600
feet but bee spa can be used anywhere on

2132
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,000
the body i am sure you will see a

2133
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,320
difference overnight bee spot is the

2134
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:22,480
only cream you will ever need the

2135
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:25,840
convenient 2.5 ounce size jar travels

2136
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:28,159
nicely and a little goes a long way

2137
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:31,440
beast by hand and foot cream costs 29.99

2138
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:34,560
use promotion code 101 for free shipping

2139
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,440
order beast by hanon foot cream today at

2140
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:39,280
bspa.com

2141
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,199
that's b e e s p a dot com

2142
01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:46,159
that's b e e s p a

2143
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:46,670
dot com

2144
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:48,960
[Music]

2145
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:51,840
hi peter vercaro for paranormaldate.com

2146
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:53,280
are you looking for love in all the

2147
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:54,480
wrong places

2148
01:18:58,270 --> 01:18:56,320
now you have a chance to change that by

2149
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:58,280
signing it for free at

2150
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:00,560
paranormaldate.com this incredible

2151
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:02,400
dating site puts people of like minds

2152
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:04,159
together people who are interested in

2153
01:19:10,189 --> 01:19:06,800
the strange the unusual mysteries ghosts

2154
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,199
ufos and the afterlife and so much more

2155
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:12,560
paranormaldate.com was developed for you

2156
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:14,719
people seeking a viable alternative to

2157
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:17,199
the other dating services you can join

2158
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:20,000
for free by going to paranormaldate.com

2159
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,760
and if you decide you like it and want

2160
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,000
to connect with people use the code

2161
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,880
george for a substantial discount mark

2162
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:29,040
rawlings president of paranormaldate.com

2163
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,480
says so many people hunger to share

2164
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,800
their experiences about the paranormal

2165
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,040
the unexplainable or the afterlife and

2166
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:37,440
so much more and this is the source for

2167
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:39,199
them to meet and share that common

2168
01:19:42,990 --> 01:19:40,719
interest so sign up for free at

2169
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:43,000
paranormaldate.com

2170
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,440
george if you decide to connect with

2171
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,679
someone you like

2172
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:51,679
are you worried about your mom or dad

2173
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,840
living alone in their house

2174
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,400
hi i'm joan lunden listen i know how

2175
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:58,880
difficult it is to find senior care for

2176
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:01,280
someone you love that's why i recommend

2177
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,159
a free service called a place for mom

2178
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:06,080
they are the nation's largest senior

2179
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:07,920
living referral service

2180
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:10,000
call a place for mom today

2181
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:12,080
to receive free information on senior

2182
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:14,480
living communities in your area call a

2183
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:22,630
a place for mom offers free one-on-one

2184
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:25,120
advice from local advisors and a

2185
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:27,199
personalized list of senior living

2186
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,360
communities you can visit if you have

2187
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:31,600
questions about senior care for your mom

2188
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,400
or dad

2189
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:34,560
there's a place for answers a place for

2190
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:35,440
mom

2191
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:38,239
minutes to get your free ebook on

2192
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,080
financing senior care as well as free

2193
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:41,920
information on senior living communities

2194
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:56,149
that's 1-800-704-6182

2195
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:57,990
hi this is tracy tormey screenwriter

2196
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:00,080
producer you're listening to paracast

2197
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:08,950
we have a second radio show called after

2198
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,360
the power cast we want you to check out

2199
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:13,440
and the only way to hear that show is to

2200
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:15,920
become a member of the power cast plus

2201
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:17,760
our special subscription service we also

2202
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,000
give you an ad free version of this show

2203
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:22,560
with better quality audio and lots more

2204
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,400
get the information from plus stop the

2205
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:25,920
powercast.com

2206
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,880
p l u s powercast

2207
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:30,560
we're trying to nail down what we do

2208
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:33,679
know about roswell and kevin randall was

2209
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,040
saying well

2210
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:36,719
it doesn't seem to have been a test

2211
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,280
aircraft so we also can dismiss the

2212
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:41,440
balloon theories because there's no

2213
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:42,719
evidence of that

2214
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,000
here's what i do not understand about

2215
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,560
skeptics they will pick apart

2216
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:47,760
sentences

2217
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,480
to prove that roswell was not alien

2218
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:52,719
and yet they trot out the project mogul

2219
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:55,040
flight number four answer and you look

2220
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:56,719
at the documentation it says the flight

2221
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:58,000
was canceled

2222
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:01,280
don't you understand

2223
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:03,199
so there was no mogul flight number four

2224
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:05,120
to drop the debris on the on the foster

2225
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:07,280
ranch the mack brazil ranch so mongol is

2226
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,480
eliminated

2227
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,320
we found absolutely nothing in the

2228
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:11,920
balloon records that would suggest this

2229
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,800
is it

2230
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:15,600
the weather bureau in albuquerque said

2231
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,159
that in 1947 they did launch and it's in

2232
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:20,719
the newspaper the from 1947 they did use

2233
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:22,239
ray wind targets on their balloons

2234
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,320
launched from albuquerque but the

2235
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:26,719
problem is mac brazil said well i found

2236
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,239
weather balloons a number of times and

2237
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:30,320
this was nothing like that it had it

2238
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:31,760
been mogul had it been another weather

2239
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:33,040
balloon with a ray one on it would have

2240
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,960
looked exactly like we did he'd found in

2241
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:37,199
the past the balloons are eliminated we

2242
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,600
cannot find anything

2243
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:42,320
that suggests that a terrestrial

2244
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:44,480
explanation for the what fell at roswell

2245
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,920
everybody agrees something fell i mean

2246
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,520
it was in the newspapers they've

2247
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:49,199
captured a flying saucer the question is

2248
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,560
what is the definition of a flying

2249
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:52,560
saucer in 1947 is certainly different

2250
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:54,000
than it is today

2251
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:57,920
and what exactly was it they recovered

2252
01:23:03,189 --> 01:23:00,560
and you look at the stories and you can

2253
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:03,199
see the contradictions in them

2254
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,840
jesse marcellus quoted in the four star

2255
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,679
telegram the second story that appeared

2256
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:09,199
then not the first one that appeared in

2257
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,880
the morning edition

2258
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:12,800
talking about the debris field being

2259
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,960
nearly a mile wide you know so it's i

2260
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:16,800
mean it's a huge debris field so even it

2261
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,159
had been a mogul balloon it wouldn't

2262
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,400
have filled up that much territory so we

2263
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,639
we've got quotes from that time the

2264
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:24,159
other thing that you know i've got in

2265
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:25,440
the book because there are positive

2266
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,960
things in there you know they they say

2267
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:29,040
well you've got jessie marcel saying

2268
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:30,560
that if i'm in the photographs it's the

2269
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:32,320
real stuff and i'm not it's the fake

2270
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:33,440
stuff and everybody says well the stuff

2271
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:36,080
in the marcel photographs is the same as

2272
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:38,000
that being held by raymie and dubose and

2273
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,440
we can all see it's a weather balloon

2274
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,360
and and the ray win target

2275
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,760
but i found transcripts from a

2276
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:45,840
documentary that was done and the part

2277
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,600
that was left out was they actually

2278
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:49,199
showed him the pictures from the roswell

2279
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,639
incident book

2280
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:52,480
and marcel said

2281
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:53,920
on the tape

2282
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,600
that they had the transcript that's not

2283
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:57,280
the stuff i found

2284
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:58,800
it's different than the stuff that i

2285
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:01,440
picked up in new mexico so we there are

2286
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:02,480
things

2287
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,880
from 1947 that i was able to put my

2288
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:06,239
hands on

2289
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,320
that kind of negate some of the

2290
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:11,040
explanations being offered so we've got

2291
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:12,719
some of that we have some first-hand

2292
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,080
testimony of the debris and what it was

2293
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,080
like and what it did

2294
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,239
but the problem we run into is

2295
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:23,280
especially when we get this far out now

2296
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:26,239
in in the 21st century you've got a lot

2297
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,840
of cut people coming forward with their

2298
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,000
tails i just did a one on my blog about

2299
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,320
this guy named john trowbridge who said

2300
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:34,960
that he was at the marcel house

2301
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,040
playing bridge on the night that jesse

2302
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:39,040
brought them his material back and he

2303
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:40,400
and all the other bridge players went

2304
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,560
out and handled the debris this is

2305
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:44,320
poppycock this isn't true there's

2306
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,920
absolutely nothing in the record to

2307
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:47,199
suggest there was a bridge party being

2308
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:49,199
held at the marcel house

2309
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:50,880
on the evening of

2310
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,159
july 7th when marcel came back vo marcel

2311
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:56,000
said nothing about it jesse jr said

2312
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:57,760
nothing about it jesse senior said

2313
01:25:01,189 --> 01:25:00,000
nothing about it but uh trowbridge is

2314
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:01,199
out there saying yeah we were playing

2315
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:02,800
bridge and i'm thinking okay you need

2316
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,080
four for bridge and if jesse's out on

2317
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,920
the uh debris field picking the stuff up

2318
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:09,679
who's the fourth yeah who's playing the

2319
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:11,440
fourth which the answer is well there

2320
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,280
was a party so there were there was one

2321
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:15,280
more than one table but you would have

2322
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:17,360
been short one player so i mean it's

2323
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:19,920
nonsense but this guy told his story i

2324
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:22,159
think in an interview and he's on the uh

2325
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:24,800
in the internet telling his story and

2326
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:26,960
and there's no critical questions being

2327
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:30,000
asked about it but it's poppycock so

2328
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:31,760
we're running into an awful lot of that

2329
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:33,679
stuff we've gotta separate the wheat

2330
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:35,760
from the chaff and when we get to the

2331
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:38,000
bodies it's even more difficult

2332
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:40,639
because of that's the real

2333
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:42,800
key to this thing if there were alien

2334
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,000
bodies

2335
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:46,480
clearly this is not a terrestrial ship

2336
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:48,960
but the whole glenn dennis uh testimony

2337
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:50,480
has been pretty much blown out of the

2338
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:52,960
water and the existence of the

2339
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:55,760
of the nurse uh has never been i think

2340
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,040
adequately

2341
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,920
proven or ascertained actually i think i

2342
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:01,199
think it's one of the few times that a

2343
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:06,390
you know here's this nurse and we're out

2344
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:07,600
there okay we're looking for and we

2345
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:09,679
can't find it uh vic golubek who did the

2346
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:12,000
lion share the work on that managed to

2347
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:15,199
find a record with 125 000 nurses names

2348
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:16,560
on it that served in the military in

2349
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:17,920
this time frame and her name wasn't

2350
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:18,960
there

2351
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:21,199
i know that working with a with a law

2352
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:23,840
enforcement officer we searched

2353
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:26,320
the country for the naomi self and

2354
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:28,400
couldn't find her and once all this was

2355
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,040
demonstrated to glenn dennis the real

2356
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:34,000
telling point was he then said well you

2357
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:35,760
guys wanted a name i told you i'd give

2358
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,960
you a name but it wouldn't be the real

2359
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,560
name and her name really wasn't my own

2360
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,639
naomi self and i'm thinking that's not

2361
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:42,719
what you told me

2362
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:45,040
but everyone knew her as lil you were

2363
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:46,719
once yelling at me because we hadn't

2364
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:48,400
found your nurse yet

2365
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:50,239
and because and i was explaining to him

2366
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,840
that that we had been looking for robert

2367
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:54,000
slusher that very day i'd actually

2368
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:55,520
talked to a guy named robert slusher

2369
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,199
who'd served in the army air forces

2370
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,120
during world war ii but he'd been a

2371
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:01,040
pilot not a crewman like the robert

2372
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:02,400
slusher we were looking for and glenn

2373
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:04,239
dennis says to me oh i know bob slusher

2374
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:06,000
he lives over in las cruces

2375
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:07,280
so i called the guy and it was the right

2376
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:08,320
guy

2377
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:10,159
but the point simply is i mean he is

2378
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:11,760
complaining we have not found her and he

2379
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,360
says i gave you guys the name and you

2380
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,440
haven't found her why not so when we say

2381
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:17,840
to him there is no army nurse named

2382
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:20,400
naomi self and never has been his answer

2383
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:22,000
was well i didn't give you the right

2384
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:22,880
name

2385
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:25,280
well ya duh so i mean that kind of

2386
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,800
killed his credibility for me not to

2387
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:28,080
mention some of the other things that i

2388
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:29,679
learned about him but that's neither

2389
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:31,840
here or there okay so the question is

2390
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:34,320
here do you still think then that some

2391
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:35,280
kind of

2392
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:37,760
alien spaceship crashed at roswell even

2393
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:40,239
if we can't prove there were bodies

2394
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:43,360
i am very ambivalent on that now uh in

2395
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:45,760
the book i explain my my point of view

2396
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,960
completely

2397
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,880
and what we're left with is just

2398
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:50,639
testimonies one of the testimonies i

2399
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:53,360
find most persuasive is that from edwin

2400
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:55,360
easley who was the provost marshal in

2401
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:57,920
roswell in 1947 and a couple of things

2402
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:00,159
that he said to me the unfortunate thing

2403
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:02,960
of that is the one time he told me about

2404
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:05,120
it being extraterrestrial was i did not

2405
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:06,800
have a recording going of it because of

2406
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:09,280
the circumstances and i fully expected

2407
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,520
to be able to talk to him again and mark

2408
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:13,360
rodinger had called me mark rudiger

2409
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:15,360
being the director of the center for ufo

2410
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:17,440
studies the scientific director uh had

2411
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:19,360
called me one day and he said i've got a

2412
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:21,600
chance to go down to fort worth and i'd

2413
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:23,040
like to meet with edwin easley and i

2414
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:25,199
said great let's get somebody else

2415
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:26,880
hearing this guy talk and what he has to

2416
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:30,560
say so i uh sent a letter trying to set

2417
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:32,560
up the meeting with uh

2418
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:34,880
easley and rodneger and got a note back

2419
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,440
from one of the daughters very elegant

2420
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:39,520
note by the way well written

2421
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:40,960
very articulate

2422
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:44,159
saying that her father was very very ill

2423
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:45,760
and her mother was scared to death that

2424
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:48,239
we were actually government agents

2425
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:50,320
trying to get some some something on

2426
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:51,840
easily so we could get rid of his

2427
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:52,880
pension

2428
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:54,880
and so mark didn't have an opportunity

2429
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,960
to say to interview him i didn't get a

2430
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:58,320
chance to interview him again and get

2431
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:00,400
him to say the same things to me once

2432
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:03,199
again on tape but i i look at that

2433
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:06,080
testimony from from easley and the way

2434
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:08,239
it evolved because i was the one

2435
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:10,400
involved in it i understand exactly how

2436
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:11,760
it worked

2437
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:14,880
i find it very persuasive and when he so

2438
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:16,719
when he talks about

2439
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:18,639
it being extraterrestrial you know i i

2440
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:20,719
put some credence to what he has to say

2441
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:22,159
patrick saunders who was the base

2442
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:23,760
adjutant another of the high-ranking

2443
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:26,239
members of a blanchard staff

2444
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:29,199
when he got copies of both the ufo crash

2445
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:30,800
at roswell the truth about the ufo crash

2446
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:32,639
at roswell wrote on the fly leaves of

2447
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,760
the books you know here's the truth and

2448
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,360
i never told anybody

2449
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:37,440
anything and signed his name to it well

2450
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:38,560
here's an interesting bit of

2451
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:41,440
documentation granted it's long after uh

2452
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:43,840
1991 when the books came out

2453
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:46,080
but the page he wrote on was how they

2454
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:48,639
had changed records and changed serial

2455
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:50,480
numbers and all this stuff to kind of

2456
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,239
cover the paper trail of this so you

2457
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:54,320
know here's somebody else whose

2458
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:56,080
motivation is not to get his name on the

2459
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:58,400
news in the newspapers not to

2460
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:01,040
see himself on documentaries not to

2461
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,280
boost his military career

2462
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:05,760
but saying something very interesting to

2463
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:07,440
members of the family and i don't think

2464
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:09,280
he expected any of us to ever see it and

2465
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:10,480
it was just one of the friends who had

2466
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:13,199
sent me a copy of this is which is why i

2467
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:14,800
i knew that i got a very nice letter

2468
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:15,760
from

2469
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:18,960
his uh saunders daughter about this and

2470
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:20,960
and uh she telling me that that he had

2471
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:22,239
told her

2472
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:24,960
that uh they had done a wonderful job of

2473
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:27,199
of hiding the paper trail

2474
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:28,719
we'll have more with kevin randall and

2475
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:30,159
sheena and chris and some of your

2476
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:32,480
questions listeners you're in the

2477
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:42,950
thank you for listening to gcn

2478
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:43,870
visit

2479
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:49,350
graphic converter is the image

2480
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:51,760
manipulation tool for the rest of us it

2481
01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:54,639
does not use any database you get full

2482
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:56,719
control of all your files want to view

2483
01:31:02,070 --> 01:30:59,280
the images of a folder drag it into

2484
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:02,080
graphic inverter and a powerful browser

2485
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:04,400
opens up to show your image files you

2486
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:06,480
could use it for slideshows you could

2487
01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:08,800
use it to import images from digital

2488
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:11,280
cameras or from scanners need to do some

2489
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:13,280
image editing you can do that too in

2490
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:15,840
graphic inverter also print catalogs

2491
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:18,400
convert from so many formats i can't

2492
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:20,800
even list them download now to see if

2493
01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:23,199
graphic inverter is good for you like

2494
01:31:28,229 --> 01:31:26,239
one and a half million other users guess

2495
01:31:30,870 --> 01:31:28,239
what you could save money when you buy

2496
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:30,880
graphic inverter use the coupon code

2497
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:33,600
night owl use the coupon code nighthow

2498
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:35,600
to get a special price for graphic

2499
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:38,239
inverter go to lemkesoft.com

2500
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:42,840
that's l e m k e soft dot com

2501
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:49,189
my dad was 59 when he collapsed from a

2502
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:50,880
heart attack late last year just this

2503
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,800
past august was when we spread his ashes

2504
01:31:56,629 --> 01:31:54,880
on the saint croix river i love my dad

2505
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:56,639
but boy was he stubborn he hadn't been

2506
01:32:01,350 --> 01:31:59,280
to the doctor in over 25 years his

2507
01:32:03,189 --> 01:32:01,360
excuse he simply couldn't afford it he

2508
01:32:05,149 --> 01:32:03,199
wasn't a rich man by any means at less

2509
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:05,159
than 107 dollars per month

2510
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:06,880
libertyoncall.org would have been the

2511
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:09,120
perfect alternative for my father don't

2512
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:12,320
wait go to libertyoncall.org right now

2513
01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:14,080
for not just your sake for the sake of

2514
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:15,280
your loved ones again that's

2515
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:17,360
libertyoncall.org

2516
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:19,360
a good stove is at the top of the list

2517
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,440
for any serious survivalist that's why

2518
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:23,280
you have to see the full range at

2519
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:25,760
amberlit.com simple elegant but

2520
01:32:30,229 --> 01:32:27,840
extraordinarily efficient available in

2521
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:30,239
titanium or stainless steel the emberlit

2522
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:32,639
line of stoves are ultra light pack flat

2523
01:32:37,030 --> 01:32:34,960
and work great fueled only by sticks and

2524
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:37,040
debris from emergency situations to

2525
01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:39,360
long-term survival amber lit stoves are

2526
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:41,280
up to the task amber lit the most

2527
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:43,679
convenient easy to carry wood stoves on

2528
01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:51,030
worried about lead fluoride and other

2529
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:52,880
contaminants in your drinking water

2530
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:54,960
purchase a pro pure system during the

2531
01:33:00,149 --> 01:32:57,679
crazy may sale and get a free promax

2532
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:00,159
shower filter or water filter pitcher

2533
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:02,400
remove up to 200 contaminants with the

2534
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:05,600
pro 1g 2.0 truly cleanable reusable

2535
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:08,159
filter we don't stretch our claims we

2536
01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:10,400
just deliver performance visit your

2537
01:33:13,870 --> 01:33:12,719
authorized pro pure dealer for details

2538
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:13,880
or

2539
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:17,760
propureusa.com that's p-r-o-p-u-r-u-s-a

2540
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:18,960
dot com

2541
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:21,520
are you tired of commuting to a job that

2542
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:24,000
makes someone else rich working harder

2543
01:33:28,629 --> 01:33:26,400
than ever but getting nowhere

2544
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,639
do you hate spending hundreds of dollars

2545
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:31,280
every week on day care having someone

2546
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:33,360
else raise your children

2547
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:35,520
with our opportunities you can start

2548
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:37,920
earning money as soon as next week

2549
01:33:42,629 --> 01:33:40,719
you get to be the boss work from home

2550
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:42,639
and live a happier life

2551
01:33:46,629 --> 01:33:44,719
at be the boss network you'll find

2552
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:46,639
hundreds of work from home opportunities

2553
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:48,880
that you can literally start today and

2554
01:33:52,910 --> 01:33:51,840
be earning money as soon as next week go

2555
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:52,920
to

2556
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:55,199
freedom106.com and start earning money

2557
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:58,000
as soon as next week you get to be the

2558
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:00,400
boss get out of the rat race work from

2559
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:03,280
home go to freedom106.com

2560
01:34:07,950 --> 01:34:05,840
right now and change your life today

2561
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:07,960
that's freedom the number

2562
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:11,600
106.com go to freedom106.com

2563
01:34:16,070 --> 01:34:13,679
and start earning money as soon as next

2564
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:16,080
week you be the boss go to

2565
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:18,960
freedom106.com

2566
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:21,120
this is an alert if your business or

2567
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,719
church is building this year you're

2568
01:34:26,149 --> 01:34:24,480
about to pay more than you should this

2569
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:26,159
could mean thousands of dollars more for

2570
01:34:30,070 --> 01:34:28,000
your office retail space church or

2571
01:34:31,830 --> 01:34:30,080
warehouse a general steel building can

2572
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,840
save you as much as half the cost and

2573
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:33,440
time of similar conventional

2574
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:35,199
construction and we're offering rebates

2575
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:36,719
of up to twenty thousand dollars to help

2576
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:38,880
you build today call general steel for

2577
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:40,320
free information that could save you

2578
01:34:52,149 --> 01:34:45,280
thousands call 866 91 steel 866 91 steel

2579
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:55,030
hi this is james fox from chasing ufos

2580
01:35:03,590 --> 01:34:57,199
you're listening to the paracast the

2581
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:05,430
okay kevin randle

2582
01:35:10,149 --> 01:35:08,080
let's summarize this here all right

2583
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:10,159
there's no way based on everything you

2584
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:12,719
said that could be a balloon no way can

2585
01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:14,639
be a test aircraft

2586
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:16,159
but you're ambivalent about what

2587
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:18,000
happened there what crashed

2588
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:20,080
because we can't prove that it was alien

2589
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,960
either

2590
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:22,880
the skeptics often say extraordinary

2591
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,440
claims require extraordinary evidence my

2592
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:27,199
response to that is when you've

2593
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:30,320
eliminated the impossible whatever left

2594
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:31,920
or what whatever is left no matter how

2595
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:34,320
improbable is probably the answer well

2596
01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:36,880
we've eliminated everything else

2597
01:35:40,870 --> 01:35:38,560
but so we have no answer we don't know

2598
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:40,880
what fell we cannot find a terrestrial

2599
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:43,040
explanation for it does that take us

2600
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:44,880
directly to the extraterrestrial no it's

2601
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:46,400
kind of a side road

2602
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:47,920
but we're getting there so if you say to

2603
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:50,239
me what is your proof i can give you

2604
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:51,760
some testimony

2605
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,320
i have very limited documentation

2606
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:56,639
and i have an awful lot of of people who

2607
01:36:02,229 --> 01:35:57,440
have

2608
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:02,239
in fort worth that are clearly a balloon

2609
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:04,320
and a ray one target

2610
01:36:08,550 --> 01:36:06,480
so when you put all that together you

2611
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:08,560
know where do you come down and if you

2612
01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:10,400
want to know can i prove it was roz well

2613
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:13,120
no but if you if you look at the book

2614
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:16,159
it lays all the evidence out that i find

2615
01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:18,320
to be credible and it lays out the stuff

2616
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:20,080
that you know tells you the story of how

2617
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,199
this came about and why some of this

2618
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:25,520
information is not reliable and we

2619
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:27,520
discussed the frank kaufman nonsense in

2620
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:29,040
there kaufman being the guy who claimed

2621
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:31,280
yeah i was involved in this super secret

2622
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:33,280
group of nine people and we we went out

2623
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:34,719
there and we recovered it and we did a

2624
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,880
very good job of hiding it uh hiding it

2625
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:38,480
and when we get down to the bottom of it

2626
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:40,159
we learned kaufman is

2627
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:43,440
faking it he did he even um changed his

2628
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:45,280
just discharge papers to show us to

2629
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:46,560
prove that he had really been a master

2630
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:48,480
sergeant was trained in intelligence and

2631
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:50,560
we when we got the actual documents we

2632
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:52,400
learned he'd been a staff sergeant and

2633
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:54,560
he'd been trained in administration

2634
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:56,000
well you see the long and sure of it

2635
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:57,760
from what you're saying is

2636
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:01,119
that for whatever reason roswell took on

2637
01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:02,800
a life of its own

2638
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:05,360
became a myth and became a legend shorn

2639
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,600
of what might have really happened

2640
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:09,520
and probably therefore doesn't deserve

2641
01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:11,920
all the attention but if you ask anyone

2642
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,760
do you remember any ufo case anybody

2643
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:17,199
more than likely if they remember

2644
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:19,119
anything they'll say roswell it's all

2645
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:21,440
about roswell nothing else happened just

2646
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:24,320
roswell because roswell

2647
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,119
if it went down as it's been alleged to

2648
01:37:31,510 --> 01:37:30,000
have gone down would have been the proof

2649
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:31,520
you would have had everything you need

2650
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:32,960
to prove that it was alien that was

2651
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:34,639
extraterrestrial you would have had a

2652
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:36,080
craft you would have had bodies you

2653
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:38,159
would have had everything you needed and

2654
01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:39,520
it's right there and you're talking to

2655
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:41,600
people says yes i was there i saw it all

2656
01:37:45,669 --> 01:37:43,199
and this is what i saw

2657
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:45,679
and that is why it blew up the way it

2658
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,040
did is because

2659
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,280
there were literally fifteen hundred

2660
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:51,360
witnesses and i say that because uh i

2661
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:52,560
think that's how many people were in the

2662
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:54,639
yearbook that walter hot produced in

2663
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:57,040
1947 here is a whole list of witnesses

2664
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:58,719
who might have been involved

2665
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:00,880
and we've talked to some of them

2666
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:02,719
i talked to an mp for example i said

2667
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,080
well did you go out there he said no i

2668
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:06,480
wasn't involved but you know my friends

2669
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:07,920
were and i can't remember coming into

2670
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:09,520
the barracks one day after the newspaper

2671
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,760
came out or whether they they telling me

2672
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:13,280
about picking up the flying saucer and

2673
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:14,320
he didn't believe him until the next day

2674
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:15,679
when the newspaper came out and then he

2675
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:17,040
saw the headlines

2676
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:18,080
you know

2677
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:19,920
how good is that story well it's a guy

2678
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:21,440
telling us that he remembered his

2679
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:23,280
friends being involved in this sort of

2680
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:24,239
thing so

2681
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:25,760
we're stuck with that sort of thing but

2682
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:27,840
the potential was there

2683
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:29,600
to answer the questions to force

2684
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,760
disclosure completely because you know

2685
01:38:35,109 --> 01:38:33,600
how can you deny this because here is

2686
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:35,119
the evidence and when we when we sit

2687
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:36,719
down and we look at the evidence it's

2688
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:38,719
not nearly as robust as we have believed

2689
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:40,239
it to be

2690
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:41,280
here's

2691
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:42,800
a good question from one of our

2692
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:44,719
listeners kevin uh

2693
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:46,880
and for all you listeners out there if

2694
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:48,719
you'd like to uh post questions for our

2695
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,600
guests go to forum.paracast.com

2696
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:53,840
sign up and post your questions

2697
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:56,719
and this is you know going in a

2698
01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:58,639
different direction with all this as we

2699
01:39:04,629 --> 01:39:01,920
wrap up this roswell section

2700
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,639
but william strathman is asking in in

2701
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:06,880
the mid-1947

2702
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:08,639
uh period the soviets were just

2703
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:11,760
beginning production of their tu4 clone

2704
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:14,719
of the b-29 super fortress and surely

2705
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:16,480
the u.s knew of this or at least

2706
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:18,560
suspected

2707
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:21,280
a soviet atomic program

2708
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:23,600
so he says it seems highly reasonable to

2709
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:25,600
assume that u.s intelligence would have

2710
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:27,760
suspected that soviet agents were

2711
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:29,760
monitoring the 509th bomber group at

2712
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:32,000
roswell for any and all intelligence

2713
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,199
they could get

2714
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:35,440
then just weeks before roswell kenneth

2715
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:38,239
arnold siding electrified the u.s media

2716
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:39,440
so

2717
01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:41,520
this is his question is there any

2718
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,520
possibility in your view

2719
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:45,920
that roz the roswell event and the media

2720
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:48,480
coverage that was immediately shut down

2721
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:49,440
could have been a u.s

2722
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:51,679
counterintelligence operation to tweak

2723
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,560
u.s based soviet agents in order to try

2724
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:56,880
to uncover communication trails

2725
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:58,960
and i guess james carrion came up with

2726
01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:00,800
this suggestion uh

2727
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:02,560
what what's your take on on that

2728
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:06,080
possibility that makes more sense than

2729
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:07,840
the other the other side of it where

2730
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:09,679
somebody claimed that it was what

2731
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,560
crashed at roswell was a was the tu4

2732
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:14,239
bull which was the

2733
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,679
soviet stolen version of the b-29

2734
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:19,280
because it just didn't have the range to

2735
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:21,199
get from the soviet union to roswell and

2736
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,719
back so it would have been a like a

2737
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:24,719
suicide mission or something right in

2738
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,040
the the debris field would have uh

2739
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:29,199
looked a lot different and and and the

2740
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,800
guys would have said you know this uh

2741
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:32,880
there's there's cyrillic lettering on

2742
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:34,159
this but this looks an awful lot like a

2743
01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:36,480
piece from a b-29 because they copied

2744
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:37,840
the darn thing

2745
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:40,080
which by the by the way was a was a

2746
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:41,280
wonderful piece of it reverse

2747
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:42,719
engineering and when you get right down

2748
01:40:45,189 --> 01:40:43,760
to it

2749
01:40:46,149 --> 01:40:45,199
but there's there's absolutely no

2750
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:46,159
evidence that

2751
01:40:48,620 --> 01:40:48,239
that what fell was that

2752
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:48,630
um

2753
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:50,080
[Music]

2754
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:52,560
it's an interesting idea that that it

2755
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:55,280
was a counterintelligence ploy

2756
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,880
but um

2757
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:58,639
some sort of honey pot

2758
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,280
yeah i just i'm just not sure

2759
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:03,440
it just doesn't seem like it would be

2760
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:05,199
something that would

2761
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,639
you'd want to do because what you're

2762
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:08,159
doing is drawing more attention to the

2763
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:09,920
509th bomb group

2764
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:11,440
and to its higher headquarters the

2765
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:13,760
eighth air force so they're the only the

2766
01:41:17,750 --> 01:41:16,320
eighth air force command's the only

2767
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:17,760
atomic strike force in the world at the

2768
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:19,040
time and i'm not sure that you want to

2769
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:22,400
draw attention to those specific places

2770
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,159
even though the soviets would be aware

2771
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:26,320
well aware of it and that sort of thing

2772
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:27,199
um

2773
01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:29,360
so you're you're kind of it's kind of

2774
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,280
counterproductive to do that sort of

2775
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:33,360
thing um

2776
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:34,960
but it's it's an interesting it's an

2777
01:41:38,310 --> 01:41:36,560
interesting theory

2778
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:38,320
and not not

2779
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:40,400
the wildest that i've ever heard about

2780
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:41,760
this you know i've read i've read some

2781
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:44,000
of carrion's stuff and i think he makes

2782
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:45,760
a couple of leaps in logic that just

2783
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:48,080
aren't there but it's interesting it's

2784
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:50,320
an interesting theory he is coming out

2785
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:53,199
with a roswell book eventually

2786
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:54,400
aren't we all

2787
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:56,719
well speaking of which two of your

2788
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:58,880
former colleagues came out with children

2789
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:01,440
of roswell and i thought for a moment

2790
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,280
this is like

2791
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:05,679
having too many sequels of a movie so

2792
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:08,080
it's going to be

2793
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:09,760
the main movie

2794
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:13,119
iron man iron man 2 iron man 3 after

2795
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:16,000
iron man before the next iron man

2796
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,679
children of iron man

2797
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:19,920
iron man returns once again

2798
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,679
right exactly and that's what children

2799
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:23,920
of roswell what is in that book that

2800
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:27,119
anybody cares about i have no idea

2801
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:28,719
i haven't read it

2802
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:30,960
i don't plan on buying it

2803
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:32,639
because i don't want to contribute any

2804
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:34,000
money to that

2805
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:36,080
sort of nonsense

2806
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:38,080
and the idea that somehow the children

2807
01:42:43,109 --> 01:42:40,960
were traumatized by their parents

2808
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:43,119
involvement in roswell seems a tad bit

2809
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,960
ridiculous to me

2810
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:47,679
but um you know i i

2811
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:49,920
when when i looked at you know doing

2812
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:52,000
roswell in the 21st century

2813
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:54,960
it was looking at the evidence

2814
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:57,280
that has been presented over the last uh

2815
01:43:02,229 --> 01:42:59,119
30 years or so and where is that

2816
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:02,239
evidence what has not been talked about

2817
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:03,199
that

2818
01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:04,560
maybe should have been talked about

2819
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:06,400
earlier can we draw some conclusions

2820
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:07,600
from that

2821
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:10,800
but going forward uh um you know in

2822
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:12,560
their in their last book witness to

2823
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:14,960
roswell we've i've found i shouldn't say

2824
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:17,360
we i found a number of witnesses who

2825
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:19,600
just don't seem overly credible to me

2826
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:22,159
lee reeves being one of them by the way

2827
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,920
uh the firefighter who went out with

2828
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,520
frankie rose father

2829
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:27,360
so i i don't know

2830
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:30,560
i don't know what it is i've done the um

2831
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:32,239
roswell in the 21st century because what

2832
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:33,679
i wanted to do is set the record

2833
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:35,840
straight or as straight as possible at

2834
01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:38,719
this time you know kind of um

2835
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:41,280
take out all the the sensationalistic

2836
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,400
testimony that is clearly untrue

2837
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:46,639
it's called the spade spades

2838
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:49,119
yeah exactly and here's what we know you

2839
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:50,000
know

2840
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:51,280
um

2841
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:53,199
i would have been hesitant to do this

2842
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:55,840
before jesse jr passed away simply

2843
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:58,480
because i knew the reverence he held his

2844
01:44:03,189 --> 01:44:00,639
for his father and i wouldn't wanted to

2845
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:03,199
do anything to kind of upset that apple

2846
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:04,320
card

2847
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:06,080
but at this point you know looking at

2848
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:07,679
what jesse marcel

2849
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:08,800
said

2850
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:11,520
to linda corley and to other researchers

2851
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:13,520
you know his testimony becomes a little

2852
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,800
bit problematic um so you know we we

2853
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:18,320
need to look at those sort of things

2854
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,080
what about walter hot i mean here's the

2855
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:22,320
guy who's kind of instrumental in this

2856
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:24,639
whole roswell case what do we think

2857
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:27,360
about his his affidavit that

2858
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:30,159
was produced after he passed away um you

2859
01:44:35,109 --> 01:44:32,480
know is there is that sensationalistic

2860
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:35,119
is it to keep the myth alive what is the

2861
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,960
purpose of that sort of thing so i tried

2862
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:38,480
to look at all of that stuff and bring

2863
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:39,679
it to the forefront and say you know

2864
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:41,840
here's what we know and when we get down

2865
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:44,320
to the bottom of it we have no

2866
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,719
explanation for what fell

2867
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:49,040
at roswell and even if carrion is right

2868
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:50,080
about it being some kind of

2869
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:52,000
communications place something still had

2870
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:53,520
to fall at roswell

2871
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:56,800
to to initiate this whole whole thing

2872
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:58,480
but um

2873
01:45:01,990 --> 01:45:00,159
you know what what are we left with when

2874
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,000
we boil it down to its essences that's

2875
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:04,320
what i tried to bring about in the book

2876
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,679
we're left with a mystery that will

2877
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:07,679
never solve more than likely we've got

2878
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,360
more to come with kevin randall and

2879
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:11,520
we'll get into that and move away from

2880
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:14,159
the r word wouldn't that be great every

2881
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:17,360
time we try to move away from the r word

2882
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:19,360
people still dig it i don't know with

2883
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:21,679
kevin randle and gene and chris you're

2884
01:45:33,149 --> 01:45:32,229
thank you for listening to gcn

2885
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:33,159
visit

2886
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:39,189
first game attack of the rockoids and it

2887
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:41,199
was a critically acclaimed success and

2888
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,560
now there is the coming of the

2889
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:44,480
protectors a former military

2890
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:46,719
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2891
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:48,880
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2892
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:51,440
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2893
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:53,040
her distant planet are planning to

2894
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:55,280
conquer the earth this is gripping

2895
01:45:59,669 --> 01:45:57,840
science fiction of the classic kind

2896
01:46:01,709 --> 01:45:59,679
attack of the rockoids and the coming of

2897
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:01,719
the protectors find out more at

2898
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:03,280
rockoaids.com that's

2899
01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:09,350
if you want to get your website online

2900
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:11,920
and you need reliable service first

2901
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:13,920
class service at the lowest possible

2902
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:16,080
price there's only one place to go well

2903
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:18,400
dreamhost has a special promotion with

2904
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:20,480
our show where they'll offer you

2905
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:23,760
unlimited disk space unlimited bandwidth

2906
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:27,440
one-click web app such as wordpress 24 7

2907
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:29,760
support you can save over fifty five

2908
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:31,600
dollars you wanna know how go to

2909
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:34,639
dreamhost dot com slash radio dreamhost

2910
01:46:43,189 --> 01:46:40,870
join me george nori at joshua tree

2911
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:43,199
california june 3rd through the 6th for

2912
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:45,600
the contact in the desert ufo conference

2913
01:46:50,470 --> 01:46:47,920
a weekend of exploration into ancient

2914
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:50,480
aliens human origins crop circles ufo

2915
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:52,560
sightings and new evidence of ongoing

2916
01:46:57,590 --> 01:46:55,119
contact featuring graham hancock giorgio

2917
01:46:59,830 --> 01:46:57,600
suclose david wilcock david childress

2918
01:47:02,149 --> 01:46:59,840
doc wallach and eric von doneken and so

2919
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:02,159
many more for information go to contact

2920
01:47:08,950 --> 01:47:04,320
in the desert dot com contact in the

2921
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,590
hunters anglers campers and survivalists

2922
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:13,920
get back to nature expand your horizons

2923
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:16,000
with the highest quality most versatile

2924
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:18,000
unique slingshots and sling bows on the

2925
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:20,800
market at slingbow.com slingbow products

2926
01:47:25,109 --> 01:47:22,639
are compact and models start from just

2927
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:25,119
17.98 they're perfect for your bug out

2928
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:26,960
bag or storing in your vehicle give

2929
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:28,639
yourself and your loved ones the

2930
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:30,960
excitement and tradition of slingbow a

2931
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:33,360
new frontier in archery and truly modern

2932
01:47:40,260 --> 01:47:35,360
twist on this primitive survival tool

2933
01:47:40,270 --> 01:47:46,149
[Music]

2934
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:49,430
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2935
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:53,119
standard of paranormal radio

2936
01:48:01,270 --> 01:47:54,320
and now

2937
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:03,510
so kevin randle how do we get away from

2938
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:07,119
the r word this emphasis on roswell you

2939
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:09,119
hope that maybe with this new book that

2940
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:12,480
closes the book on it to be redundant

2941
01:48:17,669 --> 01:48:15,280
until something comes along assuming

2942
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:17,679
nothing comes along it's the end of it

2943
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:19,679
unless the government

2944
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:21,920
comes comes forward and says yeah we got

2945
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:23,840
a spacecraft pals here's pictures of it

2946
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:25,679
here's photographs of the bodies here's

2947
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:27,440
the documentation you can tour it at

2948
01:48:31,109 --> 01:48:29,119
this location

2949
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:31,119
we're pretty well done i think we need

2950
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,800
to move to the l word

2951
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,639
which is level land

2952
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:36,480
a series of sightings taken place in

2953
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:39,600
november of 1957 where you had the craft

2954
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,480
interacting with the environment you had

2955
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:44,239
independent witnesses coming forward

2956
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:45,920
telling about their encounter with this

2957
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:48,000
thing within minutes of one another in

2958
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:49,920
in separate locations unaware that

2959
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:51,840
anybody else has been seeing something

2960
01:48:55,990 --> 01:48:54,080
you have law enforcement involved in it

2961
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:56,000
you had the possibility of a landing

2962
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:58,960
trace on a ranch north of of level land

2963
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:01,360
you had everything you needed in that

2964
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:02,880
case as well

2965
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:05,920
plus more to kind of solve the riddle

2966
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,560
and the air force and don quijo at at

2967
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:10,480
the national investigations committee on

2968
01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:12,239
aerial phenomena were so busy arguing

2969
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:14,239
over the number of witnesses and what

2970
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:15,920
really happened that the investigation

2971
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:17,679
kind of stalled at that point but here's

2972
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:19,920
a case that unfortunately now we're more

2973
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:22,000
than 50 years away from it so we're in

2974
01:49:26,629 --> 01:49:24,239
the same boat we are with roswell

2975
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,639
what is interesting is and carl flock

2976
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:28,960
and i talked about this periodically was

2977
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,560
how we don't have the same kind of

2978
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:32,400
robust cases

2979
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:34,880
that we had in the late 40s the 50s and

2980
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:37,040
even into the 60s we have we're stuck

2981
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:39,280
with things like stevensville and the

2982
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:41,840
o'hare case which isn't isn't all that

2983
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,880
dramatic

2984
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:44,639
uh when you when you stack it up to some

2985
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:46,719
of the other ufo cases so

2986
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:49,760
to move away from the dreaded r word and

2987
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:50,560
i get

2988
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:53,360
sucked back into it even though we do

2989
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:54,719
we need to start looking at some of

2990
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:58,159
these other cases where there is a lot

2991
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:01,360
of information a lot of witnesses a lot

2992
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,239
of facts that we can we can settle down

2993
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:06,480
on as opposed to some of the things that

2994
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:09,040
we found in other cases now there are

2995
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:11,360
theories in the part of some people here

2996
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:13,520
that the reason we don't see a big focus

2997
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:15,920
on current cases that is that more than

2998
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:18,239
likely whatever caused the ufo

2999
01:50:23,109 --> 01:50:21,840
phenomenon left us and that all our most

3000
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:23,119
current sightings therefore have

3001
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:25,520
conventional explanations is there a

3002
01:50:31,030 --> 01:50:28,239
case in the last 20 years that it is as

3003
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:31,040
compelling as the ones in the 1950s 60s

3004
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:32,239
etc

3005
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:33,520
i'm thinking

3006
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:34,960
i realized i was

3007
01:50:39,590 --> 01:50:37,199
not filling the air the phoenix lights

3008
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:39,600
case is pretty compelling but i don't i

3009
01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:41,040
don't find it as

3010
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:43,600
compelling as those cases from the 50s

3011
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:45,360
and 60s and that was that was the the

3012
01:50:48,870 --> 01:50:46,800
one i was going to come up with the

3013
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:48,880
phoenix light maybe maybe the belgium

3014
01:50:52,310 --> 01:50:51,199
cases because you had a lot of military

3015
01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:52,320
involvement in there and you had a lot

3016
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:54,560
of witnesses and and again the the

3017
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:56,719
famous picture of the the triangle turns

3018
01:51:01,990 --> 01:50:58,639
out to be a hoax by

3019
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:02,000
a photographer who has admitted the hoax

3020
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:05,760
but a rendelsham forest maybe from 1980

3021
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:07,600
might get there as well because again

3022
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:09,199
it's it's military and you've got some

3023
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:11,440
you've got positive documentation from

3024
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:13,760
from the halt letter to the

3025
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:16,800
his auto recordings of what was going on

3026
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:19,119
in the field that night to uh some of

3027
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:21,360
the very credible witnesses uh john

3028
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:22,800
burroughs

3029
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:26,000
uh was just labeled 100 percent disabled

3030
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:27,760
by the government

3031
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:31,119
because of his uh exposure to radiation

3032
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:33,440
during that case we had him on with his

3033
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:36,080
lawyer explaining how it came to be that

3034
01:51:40,149 --> 01:51:37,199
would be the first time that the

3035
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:40,159
government has acquiesced to a request

3036
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:42,480
of uh you know for

3037
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:45,280
deformities and and disabilities and and

3038
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:47,760
that sort of thing based on interaction

3039
01:51:52,149 --> 01:51:49,360
with something

3040
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:52,159
unknown or a ufo for all practical

3041
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:54,239
purposes and then there's some of the

3042
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:56,800
work that uh robert hastings has done

3043
01:52:01,669 --> 01:52:00,080
on his uh sightings with the

3044
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:01,679
missileers

3045
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:02,480
and

3046
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:03,599
things like that there's some some

3047
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:05,840
interesting stuff in in what he has to

3048
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:06,639
say

3049
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:08,719
so it's out there but they just

3050
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:10,159
you know rental shim does have sort of

3051
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:12,880
the gravitas of the other r word

3052
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:15,440
but nothing really comes close

3053
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:16,560
at this point

3054
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:17,920
but you know i would like to see more

3055
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:19,920
work done on level land i think that's a

3056
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:23,599
fantastic case um the rendelsham forest

3057
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:25,199
but you've got the people you've got the

3058
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:26,960
people still around who can talk about

3059
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,480
it like like uh jim peniston uh

3060
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:32,639
charles halt john burroughs and some of

3061
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:33,920
those what do you think of peniston's

3062
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,480
binary code though uh that's always

3063
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:38,560
really kind of

3064
01:52:42,629 --> 01:52:40,000
throwing a monkey wrench in the whole

3065
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:42,639
thing as far as i'm concerned

3066
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:44,719
there there are some things that are are

3067
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:46,320
are disturbing about it like there are

3068
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,400
in any ufo cases i mean there's always

3069
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:50,880
some disturbing stuff that comes out

3070
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:53,280
uh i think peniston is relating as best

3071
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:55,360
he can what he remembers

3072
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:58,000
yeah but then you get into the point

3073
01:53:02,310 --> 01:52:59,280
of of

3074
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:02,320
uh um precisely what does he remember

3075
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:04,719
and we're now what we're 30

3076
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,840
some years away from that 36 years

3077
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:09,840
is that right 36 years

3078
01:53:14,070 --> 01:53:11,360
from that case so now we're dealing with

3079
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,080
deco decades old memory and from and and

3080
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:15,760
i think here's one of the problems that

3081
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:17,360
that touches on what we were talking

3082
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:18,080
about

3083
01:53:21,589 --> 01:53:19,119
with

3084
01:53:24,149 --> 01:53:21,599
not having the robust cases i think

3085
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:24,159
we've become more scientifically

3086
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:26,480
sophisticated and things that were

3087
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,360
perplexing in the 40s and 50s we now

3088
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:31,199
understand as natural phenomena one of

3089
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:32,880
those things that charles witted the one

3090
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:35,199
of the cases that a lot of people hold

3091
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:36,880
in high esteem they are the airline

3092
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:39,040
pilots who saw a cigar shaped craft

3093
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,960
whipped by their airliner early in the

3094
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,199
morning and

3095
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:45,679
in the 1940s i think what they saw is a

3096
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,040
bolide and i and i look at the the video

3097
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:50,800
footage we have of bolides and we see

3098
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,400
that sort of thing and we have the zon 4

3099
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:54,480
re-entry where some of the people i mean

3100
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:55,840
we know exactly what it was but some of

3101
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:57,119
the people drew

3102
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:58,960
cigar-shaped craft with lighted windows

3103
01:54:03,109 --> 01:54:00,560
along the side exactly what charles

3104
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:03,119
witted had seen so i mean i find that

3105
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:05,360
evidence compelling that they saw saw a

3106
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:07,440
bullet so i think that's part of it we

3107
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:09,119
we look at these cases and we say well

3108
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:11,599
clearly that's venus i mean

3109
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:14,239
that's venus okay does that mean that

3110
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:15,520
possibly

3111
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:17,840
all or most of the unknowns

3112
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:20,800
with regard to ufos do have conventional

3113
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:23,440
explanations now we have a better handle

3114
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:25,280
of what might be going on does that mean

3115
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:28,159
there are any real ufos at all are there

3116
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:29,760
i think there are and i think i think

3117
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:31,679
level end is very compelling the lubbock

3118
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:33,440
lights uh if if nothing else the

3119
01:54:36,629 --> 01:54:35,360
photographs of the lubbock lights is

3120
01:54:37,669 --> 01:54:36,639
very compelling

3121
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:37,679
i think

3122
01:54:40,709 --> 01:54:39,520
you know and i've said this in the past

3123
01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:40,719
as well that

3124
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:42,639
that if you get up at two o'clock in the

3125
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:43,840
morning you look out the window and you

3126
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:46,320
see a light traveling across the sky

3127
01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:47,840
you know is that

3128
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:50,719
is that an alien spacecraft or is that

3129
01:54:53,350 --> 01:54:52,239
some private pilot with this landing

3130
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:53,360
light on

3131
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:55,280
and because it's a private plane and

3132
01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:56,800
it's three o'clock in the morning and

3133
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:58,639
there's nobody else to see it and the

3134
01:55:01,750 --> 01:55:00,080
wind is blowing the wrong direction all

3135
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:01,760
you see is the light from it you don't

3136
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:04,639
see the navigation lights or the what we

3137
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:07,040
call the anti-target lights the the

3138
01:55:10,950 --> 01:55:08,960
anti-collision lights

3139
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:10,960
on it so you now you have a case that

3140
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:12,960
can't be explained you got a guy flying

3141
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:14,159
around at three o'clock in the morning

3142
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:15,599
without a flight plan because he's

3143
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:17,199
flying vfr

3144
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:18,639
and uh

3145
01:55:22,550 --> 01:55:19,760
there's no way

3146
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:22,560
no way to pin it down i had a photograph

3147
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:24,000
series of photographs taken in the

3148
01:55:27,830 --> 01:55:25,679
amount of colonies

3149
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:27,840
and we we made all kinds of measurements

3150
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:29,440
and calculations as well as flying too

3151
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:30,880
slowly for

3152
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:32,320
an airplane so it's got to be something

3153
01:55:37,109 --> 01:55:35,040
else you know and i went back and looked

3154
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:37,119
at the map and looked at the

3155
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:39,040
plot because there was foreground detail

3156
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:40,719
in it we could we could figure it out

3157
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:41,760
and i said well you know if it's flying

3158
01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:43,360
at an angle it might seem like it's

3159
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:44,400
traveling

3160
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:47,199
actually a lot further because you're

3161
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:49,280
seeing at an angle and then russ estes

3162
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:50,800
and i got together

3163
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:51,760
and

3164
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:52,960
using

3165
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:54,880
modern computer equipment

3166
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:57,119
and what we had available to us we were

3167
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:58,960
actually able to see at the head of the

3168
01:56:02,629 --> 01:56:00,480
streak of light we're actually to pick

3169
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:02,639
out the airplane so here was a case that

3170
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:04,320
had been unexplained

3171
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:06,159
since i had got it until the point where

3172
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:07,520
we figured out that a it wasn't

3173
01:56:12,229 --> 01:56:09,840
traveling too slow to be an airplane and

3174
01:56:13,430 --> 01:56:12,239
b we actually were able to resolve one

3175
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:13,440
of the pictures to the point where we

3176
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:15,599
could see the airplane so i think

3177
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:17,599
there's a lot of that going on in

3178
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:19,280
today's environment we're explaining a

3179
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:21,520
lot more but that doesn't mean that some

3180
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:23,360
of the cases where you've got multiple

3181
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:25,599
witnesses and they get a good look at

3182
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:28,080
the object and it interacts with the

3183
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,920
environment it can be explained in the

3184
01:56:33,669 --> 01:56:31,440
terrestrial i cannot think of an

3185
01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:33,679
explanation for the level and cases and

3186
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:34,480
then

3187
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:35,920
within hours

3188
01:56:39,430 --> 01:56:37,599
in just a couple of hours you have

3189
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:39,440
witnesses at white sands missile range

3190
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:41,040
military policemen

3191
01:56:45,270 --> 01:56:42,800
seeing the same thing seeing something

3192
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:45,280
similar to that so you've got a this

3193
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:46,960
wonderful series of sightings taking

3194
01:56:50,950 --> 01:56:49,840
place on november 2nd into november 3rd

3195
01:56:52,390 --> 01:56:50,960
you know late at night early in the

3196
01:56:55,109 --> 01:56:52,400
morning

3197
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:55,119
that that really is inexplicable

3198
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,280
at this point and as i say you know we

3199
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:59,280
we all agree that something fell

3200
01:57:02,229 --> 01:57:00,480
outside that town we don't want to

3201
01:57:04,229 --> 01:57:02,239
mention anymore we just don't know what

3202
01:57:05,669 --> 01:57:04,239
it was

3203
01:57:07,750 --> 01:57:05,679
let me ask you a question here which

3204
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:07,760
we'll take to the next segment and it

3205
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:09,920
troubles me because we had interviews

3206
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:12,159
with whitley strieber in recent months

3207
01:57:17,589 --> 01:57:15,040
we talked to preston dennett last week

3208
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:17,599
and this is the a word

3209
01:57:20,709 --> 01:57:19,199
i'm going to ask you about briefly and

3210
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:20,719
we'll do it on the other side when we

3211
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:22,800
come back with the next segment

3212
01:57:28,550 --> 01:57:25,920
why do people still accept aztek as a

3213
01:57:30,709 --> 01:57:28,560
possible ufo crash we have kevin randle

3214
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:30,719
who will answer that with gene and chris

3215
01:57:40,870 --> 01:57:38,870
first game attack of the rockoids and it

3216
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:40,880
was a critically acclaimed success and

3217
01:57:44,149 --> 01:57:42,239
now there is the coming of the

3218
01:57:46,310 --> 01:57:44,159
protectors a former military

3219
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:46,320
intelligence man is contacted by a space

3220
01:57:51,109 --> 01:57:48,480
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

3221
01:57:52,709 --> 01:57:51,119
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

3222
01:57:54,950 --> 01:57:52,719
our distant planet are planning to

3223
01:57:57,510 --> 01:57:54,960
conquer the earth this is gripping

3224
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:57,520
science fiction of the classic kind

3225
01:58:01,390 --> 01:57:59,360
attack of the rockoids and the coming of

3226
01:58:04,189 --> 01:58:01,400
the protectors find out more at

3227
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:04,199
rockoaids.com that's rockoids

3228
01:58:09,109 --> 01:58:06,719
r-o-c-k-o-i-d-s dot

3229
01:58:11,589 --> 01:58:09,119
if you want to get your website online

3230
01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:11,599
and you need reliable service first

3231
01:58:15,750 --> 01:58:13,599
class service at the lowest possible

3232
01:58:18,070 --> 01:58:15,760
price there's only one place to go well

3233
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:18,080
dreamhost has a special promotion with

3234
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:20,159
our show where they'll offer you

3235
01:58:27,109 --> 01:58:23,520
unlimited disk space unlimited bandwidth

3236
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:27,119
one-click web app such as wordpress 24 7

3237
01:58:32,950 --> 01:58:30,239
support you can save over 55. you want

3238
01:58:33,950 --> 01:58:32,960
to know how go to dreamhost.com

3239
01:58:38,550 --> 01:58:33,960
radio

3240
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:38,560
soboleski a select quote agent with a

3241
01:58:42,070 --> 01:58:40,080
true story that could save you hundreds

3242
01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:42,080
of dollars a year a woman named linda

3243
01:58:47,830 --> 01:58:45,119
just called her husband ray has a 300

3244
01:58:49,589 --> 01:58:47,840
000 group life insurance policy but is

3245
01:58:51,750 --> 01:58:49,599
changing jobs and can't take it with

3246
01:58:53,270 --> 01:58:51,760
them well i am partially shocked the

3247
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:53,280
highly rated term life insurance

3248
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:55,520
companies we represent and found rey who

3249
01:59:01,510 --> 01:58:57,840
is 41 and takes medication to control

3250
01:59:04,790 --> 01:59:01,520
his cholesterol a 10-year 500 000 policy

3251
01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:04,800
for under 26 a month that's almost twice

3252
01:59:08,870 --> 01:59:06,880
the coverage for less than half of what

3253
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:08,880
he had paid if select quote hasn't

3254
01:59:12,550 --> 01:59:10,639
shopped for your life insurance you're

3255
01:59:17,750 --> 01:59:12,560
probably paying too much

3256
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:21,830
that's 1-800-403-4885

3257
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:25,669
1-800-403-4885

3258
01:59:30,950 --> 01:59:29,270
or go to selectquote.com we shop you

3259
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:30,960
save get full details in the example

3260
01:59:33,510 --> 01:59:32,560
policy at slowpoke.com commercials your

3261
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:33,520
price could vary depending on your

3262
01:59:38,950 --> 01:59:34,719
health issuing company and other factors

3263
01:59:44,229 --> 01:59:41,430
would you like to receive 250 to 1 000

3264
01:59:46,390 --> 01:59:44,239
cash per day go to richmondrich.com no

3265
01:59:48,070 --> 01:59:46,400
website no selling no explaining just

3266
01:59:50,390 --> 01:59:48,080
take these simple two steps and go to

3267
01:59:52,470 --> 01:59:50,400
richmondrich.com you can be generating

3268
01:59:55,510 --> 01:59:52,480
cash in the next 24 hours simply using

3269
01:59:57,109 --> 01:59:55,520
this system good news is it runs on 100

3270
01:59:59,350 --> 01:59:57,119
autopilot and you don't need any

3271
02:00:00,990 --> 01:59:59,360
experience to get started it's easy get

3272
02:00:03,750 --> 02:00:01,000
your share of easy riches and go to

3273
02:00:05,270 --> 02:00:03,760
richmondrich.com that's richmondrich.com

3274
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:05,280
go now brought to you by the

3275
02:00:08,470 --> 02:00:06,800
conservative investor current returns

3276
02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:08,480
not indicative of future results

3277
02:00:13,910 --> 02:00:11,360
dangerous blood clot device alert if you

3278
02:00:15,990 --> 02:00:13,920
or a loved one had an ivc filter placed

3279
02:00:17,910 --> 02:00:16,000
to prevent blood clots from traveling to

3280
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:17,920
your heart or lungs and suffered an

3281
02:00:22,070 --> 02:00:19,679
injury you may be entitled to

3282
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:22,080
substantial financial compensation the

3283
02:00:26,390 --> 02:00:24,960
fda warns that ivc filters may cause

3284
02:00:28,550 --> 02:00:26,400
serious complications

3285
02:00:31,109 --> 02:00:28,560
such as heart or lung damage internal

3286
02:00:33,270 --> 02:00:31,119
bleeding and even death these dangerous

3287
02:00:35,270 --> 02:00:33,280
blood clot devices can break and the

3288
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:35,280
metal fragments can travel to your heart

3289
02:00:40,229 --> 02:00:37,920
or lungs causing serious injuries if you

3290
02:00:42,790 --> 02:00:40,239
or a loved one suffered organ damage or

3291
02:00:45,109 --> 02:00:42,800
other injuries from an ivc filter you

3292
02:00:48,070 --> 02:00:45,119
may be entitled to substantial financial

3293
02:00:50,709 --> 02:00:48,080
compensation act now time is limited to

3294
02:00:53,189 --> 02:00:50,719
file a claim for a free consultation and

3295
02:00:57,629 --> 02:00:53,199
free information call injury help desk

3296
02:00:57,639 --> 02:01:01,910
800-478-1507 800-478-1507

3297
02:01:04,149 --> 02:01:03,109
this is an advertisement paid

3298
02:01:05,830 --> 02:01:04,159
non-attorney spokesperson

3299
02:01:07,350 --> 02:01:05,840
injuryhelpdesk.com is responsible for

3300
02:01:09,270 --> 02:01:07,360
this advertisement principal office las

3301
02:01:11,270 --> 02:01:09,280
vegas nevada ted anderson telling you

3302
02:01:13,589 --> 02:01:11,280
about jordan rubin's beyond organic

3303
02:01:15,430 --> 02:01:13,599
green fed raw cheddar artesian cheese

3304
02:01:17,990 --> 02:01:15,440
featuring whole milk created through

3305
02:01:20,229 --> 02:01:18,000
ancient dairy breeding unpasteurized

3306
02:01:22,229 --> 02:01:20,239
untreated whole milk on the same farm

3307
02:01:25,350 --> 02:01:22,239
the cow's graze containing natural

3308
02:01:27,910 --> 02:01:25,360
sources of omega-3s cla protein calcium

3309
02:01:29,830 --> 02:01:27,920
probiotics and enzymes i have never

3310
02:01:31,510 --> 02:01:29,840
tasted cheese this good and you need to

3311
02:01:35,589 --> 02:01:31,520
try it contact your youngevity

3312
02:01:40,629 --> 02:01:35,599
distributor or call 877-878-4203

3313
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:42,870
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

3314
02:01:48,870 --> 02:01:45,360
comment or question about the paracast

3315
02:01:52,149 --> 02:01:48,880
send it to news theparacast.com

3316
02:01:53,990 --> 02:01:52,159
that's news at theparacast.com

3317
02:01:56,470 --> 02:01:54,000
and don't forget to visit our famous

3318
02:02:00,870 --> 02:01:56,480
paracast community forums at

3319
02:02:06,070 --> 02:02:03,189
so we're finished with the r word

3320
02:02:09,350 --> 02:02:06,080
in all respects now the a word

3321
02:02:11,910 --> 02:02:09,360
aztec why do people still believe that

3322
02:02:13,830 --> 02:02:11,920
i read the original edition of the book

3323
02:02:16,629 --> 02:02:13,840
from scott ramsey he was on the show

3324
02:02:18,870 --> 02:02:16,639
with his wife we had frank warren on

3325
02:02:20,709 --> 02:02:18,880
talking about it there's a new edition

3326
02:02:22,390 --> 02:02:20,719
of the book which has some minor

3327
02:02:24,550 --> 02:02:22,400
refinements i gather

3328
02:02:27,270 --> 02:02:24,560
it seems so threadbare to me i think

3329
02:02:29,109 --> 02:02:27,280
chris agrees why do people still accept

3330
02:02:31,030 --> 02:02:29,119
it i guess stanton friedman does he

3331
02:02:33,350 --> 02:02:31,040
wrote the intro to the book whitley

3332
02:02:34,709 --> 02:02:33,360
strieber preston dennett why

3333
02:02:36,870 --> 02:02:34,719
well stanton friedman will write the

3334
02:02:37,910 --> 02:02:36,880
introduction any book as long as he gets

3335
02:02:40,709 --> 02:02:37,920
his name out there and you can say

3336
02:02:42,310 --> 02:02:40,719
nuclear physicist

3337
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:42,320
oh boy

3338
02:02:46,790 --> 02:02:45,040
well i i mean i asked dan about that

3339
02:02:48,229 --> 02:02:46,800
i said stan really aztec and he said

3340
02:02:49,910 --> 02:02:48,239
yeah really aztec they've got some

3341
02:02:51,270 --> 02:02:49,920
wonderful research and so i read the

3342
02:02:52,550 --> 02:02:51,280
book i'm thinking what wonderful

3343
02:02:54,790 --> 02:02:52,560
research they

3344
02:02:56,709 --> 02:02:54,800
they they've didn't even talk to the

3345
02:02:58,870 --> 02:02:56,719
guys you know some of the witnesses they

3346
02:03:00,629 --> 02:02:58,880
they claim they they had doug nolan for

3347
02:03:03,030 --> 02:03:00,639
example may not have worked for the

3348
02:03:04,629 --> 02:03:03,040
national el paso natural gas pipeline in

3349
02:03:07,189 --> 02:03:04,639
1948

3350
02:03:09,430 --> 02:03:07,199
it came up on my blog

3351
02:03:11,189 --> 02:03:09,440
in the last month or so

3352
02:03:13,510 --> 02:03:11,199
about aztec

3353
02:03:16,149 --> 02:03:13,520
and one of the commentators said well

3354
02:03:18,950 --> 02:03:16,159
you know it's pretty well nailed down to

3355
02:03:20,390 --> 02:03:18,960
march 25th 1948 and i'm thinking i don't

3356
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:20,400
remember that

3357
02:03:24,229 --> 02:03:21,920
i remember a number of people saying it

3358
02:03:26,149 --> 02:03:24,239
but i'm i'm thinking that the the

3359
02:03:27,669 --> 02:03:26,159
the date isn't is is pretty fluid we

3360
02:03:29,830 --> 02:03:27,679
don't really know when the darn thing

3361
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:29,840
crashed if it in fact crashed

3362
02:03:33,430 --> 02:03:31,440
and uh i just

3363
02:03:34,629 --> 02:03:33,440
communicated with with frank warren

3364
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:34,639
about that because i figured if

3365
02:03:37,030 --> 02:03:35,840
anybody's going to have an answer to the

3366
02:03:38,229 --> 02:03:37,040
question about the date it's going to be

3367
02:03:41,109 --> 02:03:38,239
frank warren

3368
02:03:44,390 --> 02:03:41,119
and he said that the date's pretty fluid

3369
02:03:46,070 --> 02:03:44,400
he's heard as late as spring of 1949 and

3370
02:03:48,629 --> 02:03:46,080
he thought it might be somewhere early

3371
02:03:49,910 --> 02:03:48,639
in march of 1948 but he didn't have a

3372
02:03:52,709 --> 02:03:49,920
firm date there's not a firm date in

3373
02:03:55,589 --> 02:03:52,719
scully's book behind the flying saucers

3374
02:03:56,629 --> 02:03:55,599
i do not know why people

3375
02:03:58,070 --> 02:03:56,639
are

3376
02:03:59,669 --> 02:03:58,080
happy with that case and why they

3377
02:04:01,109 --> 02:03:59,679
believe it i just can't find anything

3378
02:04:03,109 --> 02:04:01,119
compelling about it

3379
02:04:05,669 --> 02:04:03,119
i have a theory about that kevin well

3380
02:04:07,109 --> 02:04:05,679
good please i i think

3381
02:04:09,750 --> 02:04:07,119
there's

3382
02:04:11,270 --> 02:04:09,760
some real how about i put this

3383
02:04:13,109 --> 02:04:11,280
there's a

3384
02:04:15,350 --> 02:04:13,119
an effort to take

3385
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:15,360
the glitz and glamour of the town of

3386
02:04:18,149 --> 02:04:16,800
roswell and the fact that they've

3387
02:04:20,390 --> 02:04:18,159
created a whole

3388
02:04:22,310 --> 02:04:20,400
you know a very lucrative economy based

3389
02:04:24,229 --> 02:04:22,320
on the ufo subject

3390
02:04:26,390 --> 02:04:24,239
and i think there's a there's a movement

3391
02:04:28,229 --> 02:04:26,400
within the state to move that emphasis

3392
02:04:31,589 --> 02:04:28,239
to the north end of the state

3393
02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:31,599
if you look at this um dulce uh base

3394
02:04:37,510 --> 02:04:33,920
conference that's going on i think this

3395
02:04:40,709 --> 02:04:37,520
coming weekend with anthony sanchez and

3396
02:04:42,470 --> 02:04:40,719
his ufo highway colonel x bs

3397
02:04:43,910 --> 02:04:42,480
of course linda howe's there she gloms

3398
02:04:45,350 --> 02:04:43,920
on to everything

3399
02:04:47,510 --> 02:04:45,360
barbara lamb

3400
02:04:50,950 --> 02:04:47,520
the hickory apache have decided i think

3401
02:04:53,910 --> 02:04:50,960
to buy into the myth of the dulce alien

3402
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:53,920
base and try to create kind of an

3403
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:56,639
upwelling of interest and and uh and

3404
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:58,480
expectation

3405
02:05:03,030 --> 02:05:00,560
and then the next town over is aztec so

3406
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:03,040
we have this movement i think to to get

3407
02:05:08,070 --> 02:05:05,440
the tourist dollars to uh instead of go

3408
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:08,080
south to roswell maybe kind of lurk

3409
02:05:13,589 --> 02:05:10,960
around white sands to to go north and go

3410
02:05:16,709 --> 02:05:13,599
to dulce and aztec so that these

3411
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:16,719
struggling communities can get a new

3412
02:05:21,750 --> 02:05:19,920
economic base uh with which to uh

3413
02:05:24,390 --> 02:05:21,760
capitalize their uh their tourist

3414
02:05:27,350 --> 02:05:24,400
dollars coming into their communities

3415
02:05:29,109 --> 02:05:27,360
i hate to sound jaded but i

3416
02:05:31,189 --> 02:05:29,119
well

3417
02:05:32,390 --> 02:05:31,199
if i can mention the other a word which

3418
02:05:33,350 --> 02:05:32,400
is aurora

3419
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:33,360
texas

3420
02:05:36,629 --> 02:05:35,040
their crash from 1897. what's

3421
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:36,639
interesting about that which kind of

3422
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:38,480
fits into what you're saying is a the

3423
02:05:42,390 --> 02:05:40,239
original story was apparently published

3424
02:05:45,109 --> 02:05:42,400
to draw people into the aurora area

3425
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:45,119
because the economy was was slipped

3426
02:05:48,870 --> 02:05:47,040
it bypassed them yeah and they were

3427
02:05:51,510 --> 02:05:48,880
having having other troubles so let's

3428
02:05:52,950 --> 02:05:51,520
have a flying saucer land in 1897 oh

3429
02:05:55,270 --> 02:05:52,960
well but there's a lot of stories going

3430
02:05:57,189 --> 02:05:55,280
on in 1897 about the great airship the

3431
02:05:58,790 --> 02:05:57,199
great airship you look at the newspapers

3432
02:06:00,149 --> 02:05:58,800
you know there's an awful lot of

3433
02:06:02,149 --> 02:06:00,159
information about that going on in

3434
02:06:03,910 --> 02:06:02,159
newspapers and it's getting it's falling

3435
02:06:05,750 --> 02:06:03,920
out of the sky all over the place it's

3436
02:06:07,030 --> 02:06:05,760
landing they're talking to the crews a

3437
02:06:09,030 --> 02:06:07,040
lot of time the crew is saying well you

3438
02:06:11,189 --> 02:06:09,040
know we're on our way to cuba to bomb

3439
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:11,199
the spanish uh because this was just

3440
02:06:15,589 --> 02:06:13,360
prior to the spanish-american war

3441
02:06:17,350 --> 02:06:15,599
but the thing about aurora is i was

3442
02:06:19,109 --> 02:06:17,360
there because i was stationed at fort

3443
02:06:22,470 --> 02:06:19,119
walters texas and i had an interest in

3444
02:06:24,070 --> 02:06:22,480
ufos so i drove up to uh aurora which

3445
02:06:25,990 --> 02:06:24,080
wasn't all that far from from mineral

3446
02:06:27,510 --> 02:06:26,000
wells and was talking to the people and

3447
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:27,520
i talked to the peop

3448
02:06:31,669 --> 02:06:28,960
a number of the

3449
02:06:33,350 --> 02:06:31,679
residents who'd been alive in 1897

3450
02:06:35,350 --> 02:06:33,360
they said nothing happened to just you

3451
02:06:37,270 --> 02:06:35,360
know i we don't know how this came about

3452
02:06:39,510 --> 02:06:37,280
but there's nothing to it

3453
02:06:41,589 --> 02:06:39,520
and uh two or three years later i see

3454
02:06:44,550 --> 02:06:41,599
the same people on documentaries saying

3455
02:06:46,629 --> 02:06:44,560
yeah um i saw the uh remains of the

3456
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:46,639
spaceship uh excuse me

3457
02:06:50,629 --> 02:06:48,800
you know what what happened here so they

3458
02:06:51,910 --> 02:06:50,639
they've globbed onto it i think aurora

3459
02:06:53,510 --> 02:06:51,920
has sort of done the same thing there's

3460
02:06:54,229 --> 02:06:53,520
been any number of documentaries about

3461
02:06:56,149 --> 02:06:54,239
it

3462
02:06:57,669 --> 02:06:56,159
but the the really telling evidence

3463
02:07:00,149 --> 02:06:57,679
there is there were two books that were

3464
02:07:02,390 --> 02:07:00,159
written within 10 years of

3465
02:07:04,950 --> 02:07:02,400
the crash in aurora

3466
02:07:07,189 --> 02:07:04,960
based you know history of of wise county

3467
02:07:08,950 --> 02:07:07,199
aurora being in wise county texas and

3468
02:07:10,390 --> 02:07:08,960
neither one mentioned this event i'm

3469
02:07:12,310 --> 02:07:10,400
thinking that if

3470
02:07:14,149 --> 02:07:12,320
even it was just a regular terrestrial

3471
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:14,159
airship that blew up

3472
02:07:17,510 --> 02:07:16,079
here is here is a story that would have

3473
02:07:19,830 --> 02:07:17,520
made it into either one of those

3474
02:07:21,750 --> 02:07:19,840
histories and it's not into either one

3475
02:07:23,910 --> 02:07:21,760
of them and so i think that you know

3476
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:23,920
that the people realize that they see

3477
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:27,520
how successful the the roswell story has

3478
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:29,360
been and how beneficial it's been for

3479
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:31,280
the city of roswell

3480
02:07:34,790 --> 02:07:32,800
that um they're thinking that you know

3481
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:34,800
if we can we can establish something

3482
02:07:38,069 --> 02:07:36,880
like that here in our town you know

3483
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:38,079
we'll draw in some of the tourist

3484
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:40,079
dollars and make some of that money so

3485
02:07:44,390 --> 02:07:42,000
yeah i think it's a very plausible

3486
02:07:46,470 --> 02:07:44,400
explanation as far as i i can say

3487
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:46,480
well where do you come down on the uh

3488
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:49,440
you know if if aztec is tenuous at best

3489
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,119
i mean i mean that's even given more

3490
02:07:55,750 --> 02:07:53,280
credit than it's due

3491
02:07:58,629 --> 02:07:55,760
i mean obviously there's no mention of

3492
02:07:59,510 --> 02:07:58,639
the case pre uh pre scully

3493
02:08:02,149 --> 02:07:59,520
and

3494
02:08:04,310 --> 02:08:02,159
you know we tried to point that out to

3495
02:08:06,229 --> 02:08:04,320
to to the ramses and and they just kind

3496
02:08:08,069 --> 02:08:06,239
of glossed over that but

3497
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:08,079
just down the road i mean we're talking

3498
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:10,000
you know the next large town to the to

3499
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:12,480
the east basically is dolce where do you

3500
02:08:15,830 --> 02:08:14,480
come down about dulce do you think that

3501
02:08:18,149 --> 02:08:15,840
there's any

3502
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:18,159
evidence to support uh the original

3503
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:19,840
banowitz contention

3504
02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:22,800
and uh all these characters that have

3505
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:24,560
come forward every few years thomas

3506
02:08:30,069 --> 02:08:27,760
costello myrna hansen uh tal levesque

3507
02:08:31,830 --> 02:08:30,079
even john rhodes has gotten involved and

3508
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:31,840
and you can go down the line of course

3509
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:34,719
the latest being anthony sanchez and his

3510
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:36,639
his uh colonel x who's been totally

3511
02:08:39,830 --> 02:08:38,000
discredited

3512
02:08:40,870 --> 02:08:39,840
where do you come down on that i mean

3513
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:40,880
what is that

3514
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:42,960
you understand that that i was at one

3515
02:08:47,109 --> 02:08:44,880
point um

3516
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:47,119
with the military police in the army

3517
02:08:52,629 --> 02:08:49,040
yeah and and i was assigned actually

3518
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:54,629
i was involved in that big gun fight

3519
02:08:58,470 --> 02:08:56,159
what time frame

3520
02:08:59,830 --> 02:08:58,480
um who cares

3521
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:59,840
when they had the big gun fight you know

3522
02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:01,199
that uh what's his face was talking

3523
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:03,280
about bill schneider of course

3524
02:09:06,870 --> 02:09:04,960
yeah yeah i wasn't i was involved in

3525
02:09:08,149 --> 02:09:06,880
that so you were there in the 70s oh

3526
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:08,159
hell yes

3527
02:09:11,750 --> 02:09:10,320
well i had no idea oh this is great i'm

3528
02:09:13,430 --> 02:09:11,760
loving it

3529
02:09:15,430 --> 02:09:13,440
i i mean

3530
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:15,440
that's that's just it i mean it's just a

3531
02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:16,880
utter load of crap

3532
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:18,800
and people are i don't know why they

3533
02:09:22,550 --> 02:09:20,320
would want to buy it

3534
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:22,560
well the hickory apache have have

3535
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:24,639
brought in all the myth makers and myth

3536
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:27,280
perpetrators and and uh you know myth

3537
02:09:32,069 --> 02:09:30,239
apologists and and the like and

3538
02:09:33,589 --> 02:09:32,079
originally they wanted a real conference

3539
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:33,599
there's not one person talking about

3540
02:09:36,149 --> 02:09:34,639
benowitz

3541
02:09:38,629 --> 02:09:36,159
there's not one person talking about

3542
02:09:41,350 --> 02:09:38,639
project gas buggy and the new

3543
02:09:43,750 --> 02:09:41,360
47 megaton nuclear explosion just south

3544
02:09:45,910 --> 02:09:43,760
of town to free up gas that eradiated

3545
02:09:47,830 --> 02:09:45,920
the whole groundwater system there

3546
02:09:50,790 --> 02:09:47,840
there's not one mention of the hickory

3547
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:50,800
apaches own traditions about underground

3548
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:53,599
dwelling beans and to me it just seems

3549
02:09:58,629 --> 02:09:57,280
like a a desperate gasp to uh to try to

3550
02:10:00,870 --> 02:09:58,639
you know

3551
02:10:03,430 --> 02:10:00,880
i don't know kick uh make money it's

3552
02:10:05,589 --> 02:10:03,440
it's an attempt to make money and i mean

3553
02:10:09,030 --> 02:10:05,599
we can go to mexico city and look at the

3554
02:10:11,270 --> 02:10:09,040
big not roswell slides fiasco oh jesus

3555
02:10:13,669 --> 02:10:11,280
well i managed to get away from it not

3556
02:10:15,189 --> 02:10:13,679
roswell slides but i mean really what

3557
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:15,199
was the purpose there

3558
02:10:19,350 --> 02:10:17,040
we know the purpose why do we have to

3559
02:10:21,430 --> 02:10:19,360
even go into it we got more to come with

3560
02:10:28,629 --> 02:10:21,440
kevin randle and jean and chris you're

3561
02:10:32,990 --> 02:10:32,149
you are listening to gcn

3562
02:10:34,510 --> 02:10:33,000
visit

3563
02:10:37,589 --> 02:10:34,520
gcnlive.com today

3564
02:10:39,750 --> 02:10:37,599
[Music]

3565
02:10:41,350 --> 02:10:39,760
this is an alert if your business or

3566
02:10:43,109 --> 02:10:41,360
church is building this year you're

3567
02:10:44,790 --> 02:10:43,119
about to pay more than you should this

3568
02:10:46,629 --> 02:10:44,800
could mean thousands of dollars more for

3569
02:10:48,629 --> 02:10:46,639
your office retail space church or

3570
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:48,639
warehouse a general steel building can

3571
02:10:52,069 --> 02:10:50,480
save you as much as half the cost and

3572
02:10:53,830 --> 02:10:52,079
time of similar conventional

3573
02:10:55,350 --> 02:10:53,840
construction and we're offering rebates

3574
02:10:57,510 --> 02:10:55,360
of up to twenty thousand dollars to help

3575
02:10:58,950 --> 02:10:57,520
you build today call general steel for

3576
02:11:03,910 --> 02:10:58,960
free information that could save you

3577
02:11:07,109 --> 02:11:03,920
thousands call 866 91 steel 866 91 steel

3578
02:11:09,589 --> 02:11:07,119
866 91 steel

3579
02:11:12,390 --> 02:11:09,599
would you like to receive 250 to 1 000

3580
02:11:14,550 --> 02:11:12,400
cash per day go to richmondrich.com no

3581
02:11:16,229 --> 02:11:14,560
website no selling no explaining just

3582
02:11:18,550 --> 02:11:16,239
take these simple two steps and go to

3583
02:11:20,629 --> 02:11:18,560
richmondrich.com you can be generating

3584
02:11:23,669 --> 02:11:20,639
cash in the next 24 hours simply using

3585
02:11:25,270 --> 02:11:23,679
this system good news is it runs on 100

3586
02:11:27,589 --> 02:11:25,280
autopilot and you don't need any

3587
02:11:29,229 --> 02:11:27,599
experience to get started it's easy get

3588
02:11:30,550 --> 02:11:29,239
your share of easy riches and go to

3589
02:11:33,189 --> 02:11:30,560
richmondrich.com that's

3590
02:11:34,629 --> 02:11:33,199
richmoneyrich.com go now brought to you

3591
02:11:38,790 --> 02:11:34,639
by the conservative investor current

3592
02:11:41,030 --> 02:11:38,800
returns not indicative of future results

3593
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:41,040
today how to incorporate your business

3594
02:11:46,470 --> 02:11:43,440
in just 10 minutes so you won't lose

3595
02:11:47,910 --> 02:11:46,480
everything if you get sued step 1 stop

3596
02:11:49,350 --> 02:11:47,920
putting it off if you're not

3597
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:49,360
incorporated and someone sues your

3598
02:11:53,510 --> 02:11:50,880
business tomorrow it's not just your

3599
02:11:55,189 --> 02:11:53,520
business at risk you can lose everything

3600
02:11:58,229 --> 02:11:55,199
your home your car even your life

3601
02:12:00,629 --> 02:11:58,239
savings step 2 call the following number

3602
02:12:05,109 --> 02:12:00,639
for a free 10-minute incorporation guide

3603
02:12:07,589 --> 02:12:06,149
they don't provide 1-800-941-5257 or

3604
02:12:09,750 --> 02:12:07,599
financial advice they just make

3605
02:12:11,750 --> 02:12:09,760
incorporating quick and easy so you can

3606
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:11,760
incorporate or form an llc in just 10

3607
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:20,550
just 10 1-800-941-5257 to incorporate

3608
02:12:24,470 --> 02:12:22,400
your business or form an llc you

3609
02:12:26,629 --> 02:12:24,480
protected your home your car and your

3610
02:12:28,229 --> 02:12:26,639
life savings and that is how you

3611
02:12:29,750 --> 02:12:28,239
incorporate your business in just 10

3612
02:12:31,109 --> 02:12:29,760
minutes but hurry while they're still

3613
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:31,119
giving away these 10-minute

3614
02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:32,880
incorporation guides for free call

3615
02:12:53,830 --> 02:12:47,950
at

3616
02:12:56,470 --> 02:12:53,840
together people who are interested in

3617
02:12:59,870 --> 02:12:56,480
the strange the unusual mysteries ghosts

3618
02:13:02,149 --> 02:12:59,880
ufos and the afterlife and so much more

3619
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:02,159
paranormaldate.com was developed for you

3620
02:13:06,870 --> 02:13:04,400
people seeking a viable alternative to

3621
02:13:09,669 --> 02:13:06,880
the other dating services you can join

3622
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:09,679
for free by going to paranormaldate.com

3623
02:13:13,589 --> 02:13:11,360
and if you decide you like it and want

3624
02:13:16,470 --> 02:13:13,599
to connect with people use the code

3625
02:13:18,629 --> 02:13:16,480
george for a substantial discount mark

3626
02:13:20,149 --> 02:13:18,639
rawlings president of paranormaldate.com

3627
02:13:22,470 --> 02:13:20,159
says so many people hunger to share

3628
02:13:24,709 --> 02:13:22,480
their experiences about the paranormal

3629
02:13:27,030 --> 02:13:24,719
the unexplainable or the afterlife and

3630
02:13:28,790 --> 02:13:27,040
so much more and this is the source for

3631
02:13:30,390 --> 02:13:28,800
them to meet and share that common

3632
02:13:32,669 --> 02:13:30,400
interest so sign up for free at

3633
02:13:37,109 --> 02:13:32,679
paranormaldate.com

3634
02:13:38,870 --> 02:13:37,119
george if you decide to connect with

3635
02:13:40,550 --> 02:13:38,880
someone you like

3636
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:40,560
this is a healthcare alert from the pain

3637
02:13:44,950 --> 02:13:43,199
relief hotline if you a family member or

3638
02:13:46,950 --> 02:13:44,960
a loved one suffers from knee back

3639
02:13:48,709 --> 02:13:46,960
shoulder or ankle pain and have medicare

3640
02:13:50,790 --> 02:13:48,719
as your primary insurance we've got

3641
02:13:52,950 --> 02:13:50,800
great news you don't have to suffer any

3642
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:52,960
longer you can immediately qualify for a

3643
02:13:56,870 --> 02:13:54,719
pain relieving brace at little or no

3644
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:56,880
cost to you by calling our 24 7 pain

3645
02:14:02,550 --> 02:14:00,719
relief hotline at 866-389-0620

3646
02:14:04,709 --> 02:14:02,560
delivery is free and all paperwork is

3647
02:14:06,550 --> 02:14:04,719
handled for you if you are on medicare

3648
02:14:09,030 --> 02:14:06,560
and have knee back shoulder or ankle

3649
02:14:10,550 --> 02:14:09,040
pain don't wait you can qualify to

3650
02:14:12,550 --> 02:14:10,560
immediately receive a pain relieving

3651
02:14:16,430 --> 02:14:12,560
brace at little or no cost by calling

3652
02:14:18,550 --> 02:14:16,440
our 24 7 pain hotline now at

3653
02:14:20,790 --> 02:14:18,560
866-389-0620 our representatives are

3654
02:14:22,709 --> 02:14:20,800
standing by 24 7 to take your call and

3655
02:14:24,629 --> 02:14:22,719
rush you your pain relieving brace at

3656
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:24,639
little or no cost to you shipping is

3657
02:14:28,550 --> 02:14:26,480
free and all paperwork is handled for

3658
02:14:31,030 --> 02:14:28,560
you just call eight six six three eight

3659
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:31,040
nine zero six two zero that's eight six

3660
02:14:35,589 --> 02:14:33,440
six three eight nine zero six two zero

3661
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:35,599
again eight six six three eight nine

3662
02:14:52,229 --> 02:14:50,470
this is robert hastings author of ufos

3663
02:14:54,870 --> 02:14:52,239
and nukes and you're listening to the

3664
02:15:01,430 --> 02:14:54,880
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

3665
02:15:04,709 --> 02:15:03,669
chris is giving you his exasperated

3666
02:15:07,589 --> 02:15:04,719
stinger

3667
02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:07,599
because i went to roswell slides you

3668
02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:09,760
know what i understand that chris

3669
02:15:15,510 --> 02:15:11,760
develops his voice and eventually after

3670
02:15:17,430 --> 02:15:15,520
two or three episodes he becomes a dalek

3671
02:15:21,030 --> 02:15:17,440
no

3672
02:15:23,189 --> 02:15:21,040
oh

3673
02:15:26,310 --> 02:15:23,199
i don't know anything about doctor who

3674
02:15:29,830 --> 02:15:26,320
i have never seen a single episode

3675
02:15:31,510 --> 02:15:29,840
oh please just go watch it bpc america

3676
02:15:33,270 --> 02:15:31,520
you can get it online

3677
02:15:35,270 --> 02:15:33,280
i'm too busy gene i can't sit around and

3678
02:15:37,589 --> 02:15:35,280
watch tv don't watch don't watch the

3679
02:15:39,350 --> 02:15:37,599
later episodes watch the the original

3680
02:15:43,510 --> 02:15:39,360
incarnation of doctor who those are the

3681
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:43,520
good ones because they're a really camp

3682
02:15:48,950 --> 02:15:45,520
i gotta draw the line somewhere and boy

3683
02:15:54,149 --> 02:15:51,990
doctor who yes precisely

3684
02:15:56,069 --> 02:15:54,159
he's on first by the way

3685
02:15:58,550 --> 02:15:56,079
they actually did that there's a skit

3686
02:16:00,950 --> 02:15:58,560
out there where they're trying to do the

3687
02:16:02,310 --> 02:16:00,960
who's on first with doctor who speaking

3688
02:16:05,109 --> 02:16:02,320
of sightings that

3689
02:16:06,870 --> 02:16:05,119
are recent let's go to two cases that

3690
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:06,880
we've discussed in the power cast over

3691
02:16:11,350 --> 02:16:09,119
the years kevin do you feel they are

3692
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:11,360
legitimate cases or that maybe they have

3693
02:16:15,430 --> 02:16:13,599
conventional explanations i know you

3694
02:16:18,709 --> 02:16:15,440
mentioned it in passing a couple of

3695
02:16:21,830 --> 02:16:18,719
three segments back 2006 o'hare

3696
02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:21,840
international airport november 7th do

3697
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:23,679
you think that sighting has any

3698
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:26,239
consequence it is interesting because of

3699
02:16:30,550 --> 02:16:28,079
the number of witnesses

3700
02:16:32,549 --> 02:16:30,560
it is interesting because of some of the

3701
02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:32,559
information provided and

3702
02:16:47,509 --> 02:16:33,599
the

3703
02:16:49,910 --> 02:16:47,519
conventional explanation for some of

3704
02:16:51,110 --> 02:16:49,920
this because i've seen some really weird

3705
02:16:52,469 --> 02:16:51,120
stuff

3706
02:16:54,309 --> 02:16:52,479
that

3707
02:16:56,469 --> 02:16:54,319
and and the best example i have is i was

3708
02:16:59,030 --> 02:16:56,479
looking up and i it

3709
02:17:00,709 --> 02:16:59,040
night one time and thought for sure i

3710
02:17:02,549 --> 02:17:00,719
was looking at a dome disc because of

3711
02:17:05,030 --> 02:17:02,559
the pattern of lights on it

3712
02:17:06,709 --> 02:17:05,040
and then i heard the jet engine roar

3713
02:17:09,830 --> 02:17:06,719
the plane turned and i could i could see

3714
02:17:12,629 --> 02:17:09,840
the configuration right but but for a

3715
02:17:13,750 --> 02:17:12,639
few seconds it looked like a domed disk

3716
02:17:16,389 --> 02:17:13,760
and so

3717
02:17:18,469 --> 02:17:16,399
you can be easily fooled by something if

3718
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:18,479
you only get a brief look at it so i

3719
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:20,479
think when we talk about sightings that

3720
02:17:24,230 --> 02:17:23,040
last you know less than than 10 seconds

3721
02:17:25,830 --> 02:17:24,240
we're really not getting a good

3722
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:25,840
description of this but oh hair lasted

3723
02:17:30,549 --> 02:17:28,000
longer than that it's one of the world's

3724
02:17:32,549 --> 02:17:30,559
busiest airports where are the

3725
02:17:34,790 --> 02:17:32,559
photographs where's the video there's

3726
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:34,800
photographs online that are like billy

3727
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:37,519
meyer beam ships photoshopped in but but

3728
02:17:43,990 --> 02:17:41,120
where's the real good solid irrefutable

3729
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:44,000
physical uh photographs evidence and and

3730
02:17:47,429 --> 02:17:46,160
i and i and i've said and i've said the

3731
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:47,439
same thing on my blog with everybody

3732
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:49,200
having a cell phone with a camera in it

3733
02:17:52,549 --> 02:17:50,000
now

3734
02:17:54,070 --> 02:17:52,559
how come we're not getting ufo

3735
02:17:56,230 --> 02:17:54,080
sightings where you've got photographs

3736
02:17:57,750 --> 02:17:56,240
from multiple locations you know you

3737
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:57,760
have one guy with a cell phone over here

3738
02:18:01,030 --> 02:17:59,280
taking a picture well you know that can

3739
02:18:03,349 --> 02:18:01,040
be easily photoshopped but if you've got

3740
02:18:05,030 --> 02:18:03,359
like five or six people at five or six

3741
02:18:06,709 --> 02:18:05,040
different locations

3742
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:06,719
then you've got some evidence you can

3743
02:18:11,669 --> 02:18:09,280
you can get your uh hands on and figure

3744
02:18:12,549 --> 02:18:11,679
out what's going on by triangulating all

3745
02:18:14,549 --> 02:18:12,559
of that

3746
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:14,559
don't you know kevin

3747
02:18:23,190 --> 02:18:20,950
of smartphone users are looking down not

3748
02:18:26,389 --> 02:18:25,349
touche no no they're not looking down

3749
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:26,399
they're looking at their cell phone

3750
02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:28,000
because they keep walking into walls and

3751
02:18:32,150 --> 02:18:29,920
tripping into fountains and falling down

3752
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:32,160
holes so they're not looking down either

3753
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:33,599
but yeah they're looking down at their

3754
02:18:36,549 --> 02:18:34,800
smartphones

3755
02:18:38,870 --> 02:18:36,559
but but the other point is i mean do you

3756
02:18:41,270 --> 02:18:38,880
don't you have a smartphone yes but i

3757
02:18:43,910 --> 02:18:41,280
don't walk in the street looking down at

3758
02:18:45,589 --> 02:18:43,920
it yes my point is there's are there are

3759
02:18:47,589 --> 02:18:45,599
people out there who are not looking

3760
02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:47,599
down that have it in their pocket and

3761
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:49,040
waiting for it to ring or something and

3762
02:18:52,790 --> 02:18:50,639
if you see something in the sky you whip

3763
02:18:54,549 --> 02:18:52,800
it out and take a photograph

3764
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,559
there are no robust photographs like

3765
02:18:58,790 --> 02:18:56,399
that and with everybody having a camera

3766
02:19:00,790 --> 02:18:58,800
at their disposal you would expect us to

3767
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:00,800
get a signing like that and when you

3768
02:19:05,509 --> 02:19:03,200
start talking about the radar i mean our

3769
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:05,519
stealth technology pretty well negates

3770
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:06,800
the problems with the rain are not to

3771
02:19:10,469 --> 02:19:08,160
mention the object was apparently in

3772
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:10,479
what i think of as a cone of silence

3773
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:12,479
over the airport the radars are all

3774
02:19:16,230 --> 02:19:14,160
looking out for stuff coming in they're

3775
02:19:17,110 --> 02:19:16,240
not looking directly overhead

3776
02:19:24,150 --> 02:19:17,120
so

3777
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:24,160
you were communicating with the ufo at

3778
02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:25,920
the time the other

3779
02:19:31,349 --> 02:19:29,359
set of cases is 2008 stephenville texas

3780
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:31,359
which is notable because of its

3781
02:19:36,309 --> 02:19:34,479
proximity to the bush ranch yes and

3782
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:36,319
there apparently were intercepts

3783
02:19:41,030 --> 02:19:39,040
attempted intercepts which raises

3784
02:19:42,549 --> 02:19:41,040
another level i think the air force

3785
02:19:44,309 --> 02:19:42,559
denied that they attempted to intercept

3786
02:19:46,469 --> 02:19:44,319
anything but later said yeah we had

3787
02:19:48,549 --> 02:19:46,479
aircraft in the area

3788
02:19:50,630 --> 02:19:48,559
i believe it's on one of those corridors

3789
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:50,640
where you can fly really close to the

3790
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:52,160
ground and you can fly really really

3791
02:19:55,270 --> 02:19:53,680
fast

3792
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:55,280
most places you can't do that but there

3793
02:19:59,190 --> 02:19:57,200
are quarters set up for training

3794
02:20:00,950 --> 02:19:59,200
purposes so that the jet

3795
02:20:02,309 --> 02:20:00,960
pilots can

3796
02:20:03,830 --> 02:20:02,319
sharpen their skills and doing that

3797
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:03,840
thing i know i know the one thing that

3798
02:20:07,270 --> 02:20:05,600
we always like to do is helicopter

3799
02:20:09,349 --> 02:20:07,280
pilots was fly what we called nap of the

3800
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:09,359
earth which was really really down close

3801
02:20:12,550 --> 02:20:11,600
to the ground and dodging around objects

3802
02:20:13,830 --> 02:20:12,560
on the ground and that sort of thing

3803
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:13,840
because that's really that was really

3804
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:15,600
fun to do and not not to mention it was

3805
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:17,280
dangerous but that was something we like

3806
02:20:20,389 --> 02:20:18,960
to do with the helicopter we can do that

3807
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:20,399
because we can't break the sound barrier

3808
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:22,000
we don't make all that much noise and

3809
02:20:25,670 --> 02:20:24,479
we're gone quickly but with the jet

3810
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:25,680
there's only quarters but there's a

3811
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:27,920
corridor near stephenville where you can

3812
02:20:31,750 --> 02:20:30,000
do that sort of thing which might

3813
02:20:33,110 --> 02:20:31,760
account for some of the sightings but

3814
02:20:34,950 --> 02:20:33,120
you would think the people in the area

3815
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:34,960
would be aware of that

3816
02:20:38,710 --> 02:20:36,880
and then i fall back on my experience i

3817
02:20:40,389 --> 02:20:38,720
remembered i was investigating a ufo

3818
02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:40,399
series of uf sightings in grant county

3819
02:20:43,190 --> 02:20:41,680
wisconsin

3820
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:43,200
and i was standing in the sheriff's

3821
02:20:46,469 --> 02:20:45,120
office and they got a call from a guy

3822
02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:46,479
who was just panicked that there was a

3823
02:20:50,710 --> 02:20:49,200
ufo landing in his backyard and one of

3824
02:20:52,790 --> 02:20:50,720
the deputies said to me you want to go

3825
02:20:54,389 --> 02:20:52,800
and i said of course i've got my camera

3826
02:20:55,750 --> 02:20:54,399
here i'm ready to go and we went rushing

3827
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:55,760
to his yard

3828
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:57,359
house and he became medicine he would

3829
02:21:00,950 --> 02:20:58,880
talk it took this in the backyard

3830
02:21:03,190 --> 02:21:00,960
pointed to this light in the sky and

3831
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:03,200
said see it's going to land and we said

3832
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:04,000
yeah

3833
02:21:10,230 --> 02:21:07,760
but it's on a tv tower okay now

3834
02:21:12,950 --> 02:21:10,240
the official skeptical explanation of

3835
02:21:15,630 --> 02:21:12,960
stephenville the untrained witnesses

3836
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:15,640
observers were seeing nothing more than

3837
02:21:19,349 --> 02:21:18,080
f-16s and flares

3838
02:21:21,429 --> 02:21:19,359
what do you think

3839
02:21:23,349 --> 02:21:21,439
i i just i just don't think so i think

3840
02:21:24,790 --> 02:21:23,359
that if they've got they had enough

3841
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:24,800
chance they had a chance to look at it

3842
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:26,399
for a long period of time yeah they're

3843
02:21:31,110 --> 02:21:28,720
too many witnesses you know if you go to

3844
02:21:33,830 --> 02:21:31,120
the phoenix lights there's one movie

3845
02:21:36,150 --> 02:21:33,840
or a video that you see and you see the

3846
02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:36,160
the things sort of winking out

3847
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:38,720
this chain of lights winking out as it

3848
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:42,080
moves and when you superimpose

3849
02:21:45,910 --> 02:21:43,439
the mountains

3850
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:45,920
on that nighttime footage you see that

3851
02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:47,840
the the lights are actually the flares

3852
02:21:50,070 --> 02:21:48,880
are actually falling behind the

3853
02:21:51,429 --> 02:21:50,080
mountains which explains why they're

3854
02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:51,439
winking out

3855
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:53,120
but there's an awful lot of sightings

3856
02:21:57,830 --> 02:21:56,560
where it's just not easy to explain

3857
02:21:59,349 --> 02:21:57,840
and i think you know when you start

3858
02:22:01,590 --> 02:21:59,359
getting into this the the flare

3859
02:22:02,950 --> 02:22:01,600
explanation that seems to now be sort of

3860
02:22:05,510 --> 02:22:02,960
the standard

3861
02:22:07,510 --> 02:22:05,520
operating procedure for that yeah but i

3862
02:22:10,469 --> 02:22:07,520
put up those flares 45 minutes after the

3863
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:10,479
the event had had occurred uh the object

3864
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:13,520
was almost to yuma at that point

3865
02:22:17,429 --> 02:22:15,760
you mean in phoenix yeah

3866
02:22:19,910 --> 02:22:17,439
the maryland national guard was dropping

3867
02:22:21,990 --> 02:22:19,920
flares at night

3868
02:22:23,750 --> 02:22:22,000
yeah but not first i'm saying i'm saying

3869
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:23,760
i'm saying you've got one and it's kind

3870
02:22:26,950 --> 02:22:25,040
of like when we when we talk about

3871
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:26,960
abductions and i say i've invested this

3872
02:22:31,750 --> 02:22:29,680
one case in utah and i'm convinced that

3873
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:31,760
the sleep paralysis this woman suffered

3874
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:33,520
and then i get all the hate mail saying

3875
02:22:36,710 --> 02:22:35,120
well sleep paralysis doesn't explain

3876
02:22:38,309 --> 02:22:36,720
this sighting or this sighting or this

3877
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:38,319
and i'm saying i never said that i said

3878
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:40,479
explains this one case and may explain

3879
02:22:45,349 --> 02:22:42,720
some others it does not explain them all

3880
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:45,359
i'm saying this one bit of video video

3881
02:22:50,389 --> 02:22:47,920
footage of the flares the lights

3882
02:22:52,230 --> 02:22:50,399
disappearing one by one is clearly

3883
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:52,240
flares falling behind the mountains

3884
02:22:56,710 --> 02:22:54,479
right but i was in casa grande in a

3885
02:22:58,950 --> 02:22:56,720
hotel in a motel room

3886
02:23:01,110 --> 02:22:58,960
and i heard this this hooping and

3887
02:23:04,230 --> 02:23:01,120
hollering outside i was in watching the

3888
02:23:06,469 --> 02:23:04,240
ncaa uh i think it was the final four i

3889
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:06,479
think asu was in in the finals that year

3890
02:23:11,030 --> 02:23:08,399
i forget one of the arizona schools i

3891
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:11,040
was there working actually uh doing an

3892
02:23:14,790 --> 02:23:12,960
adobe job and i went out

3893
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:14,800
when the when the newscaster came on

3894
02:23:19,030 --> 02:23:16,720
with the flares behind him

3895
02:23:20,309 --> 02:23:19,040
uh you know sometime later half hour 40

3896
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:20,319
minutes later

3897
02:23:23,750 --> 02:23:22,000
i went outside and everybody says oh you

3898
02:23:26,230 --> 02:23:23,760
missed it it flew over we saw it go

3899
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:26,240
right south towards tucson now it's kind

3900
02:23:30,950 --> 02:23:28,319
of hard for me to argue with that and

3901
02:23:33,349 --> 02:23:30,960
i'm not arguing with that i mean i no

3902
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,359
it's hard for me to argue with that i

3903
02:23:37,030 --> 02:23:35,760
you know i i actually was there

3904
02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:37,040
yes

3905
02:23:40,870 --> 02:23:39,280
and it did fly over

3906
02:23:43,750 --> 02:23:40,880
i'm not arguing that

3907
02:23:47,510 --> 02:23:43,760
40 miles south of phoenix 50 miles south

3908
02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:47,520
i'm not arguing that point i'm saying

3909
02:23:51,190 --> 02:23:49,520
i'm saying this one specific

3910
02:23:52,870 --> 02:23:51,200
there's one specific video tape there's

3911
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:52,880
other video tapes there's other

3912
02:23:57,750 --> 02:23:56,000
sightings that were very good and of a

3913
02:24:00,550 --> 02:23:57,760
of a triangular shaped object flying

3914
02:24:02,630 --> 02:24:00,560
over the area i i i'm not arguing that

3915
02:24:04,230 --> 02:24:02,640
point i'm saying one specific

3916
02:24:07,670 --> 02:24:04,240
one specific

3917
02:24:08,469 --> 02:24:07,680
um case yeah the the the famous uh

3918
02:24:12,550 --> 02:24:08,479
the

3919
02:24:15,110 --> 02:24:12,560
is always being shown yeah yeah that's

3920
02:24:17,190 --> 02:24:15,120
all kind of plausible deniability as far

3921
02:24:19,670 --> 02:24:17,200
as far as i can determine we have

3922
02:24:21,590 --> 02:24:19,680
something more plausible coming up with

3923
02:24:29,670 --> 02:24:21,600
gene and chris and kevin randall you're

3924
02:24:34,510 --> 02:24:33,190
thank you for listening to gcn

3925
02:24:37,270 --> 02:24:34,520
be sure to visit

3926
02:24:39,110 --> 02:24:37,280
gcnlive.com today

3927
02:24:41,429 --> 02:24:39,120
graphic converter is the image

3928
02:24:44,389 --> 02:24:41,439
manipulation tool for the rest of us it

3929
02:24:46,469 --> 02:24:44,399
does not use any database you get full

3930
02:24:49,030 --> 02:24:46,479
control of all your files want to view

3931
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:49,040
the images of a folder drag it into

3932
02:24:54,150 --> 02:24:51,840
graphic inverter and a powerful browser

3933
02:24:56,230 --> 02:24:54,160
opens up to show your image files you

3934
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:56,240
could use it for slideshows you could

3935
02:25:01,030 --> 02:24:58,560
use it to import images from digital

3936
02:25:03,030 --> 02:25:01,040
cameras or from scanners need to do some

3937
02:25:05,590 --> 02:25:03,040
image editing you can do that too in

3938
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:05,600
graphic inverter also print catalogs

3939
02:25:10,550 --> 02:25:08,240
convert from so many formats i can't

3940
02:25:12,950 --> 02:25:10,560
even list them download now to see if

3941
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:12,960
graphic inverter is good for you like

3942
02:25:17,990 --> 02:25:16,000
one and a half million other users guess

3943
02:25:20,630 --> 02:25:18,000
what you could save money when you buy

3944
02:25:23,349 --> 02:25:20,640
graphic inverter use the coupon code

3945
02:25:25,349 --> 02:25:23,359
night owl use the coupon code nighthow

3946
02:25:27,990 --> 02:25:25,359
to get a special price for graphic

3947
02:25:32,349 --> 02:25:28,000
inverter go to lemkesoft.com

3948
02:25:37,270 --> 02:25:32,359
that's l e m k e soft dot com

3949
02:25:39,510 --> 02:25:37,280
lemkesoft.com l e m k e soft dot com

3950
02:25:41,750 --> 02:25:39,520
water is the single most important thing

3951
02:25:43,990 --> 02:25:41,760
your body needs so you want to be sure

3952
02:25:46,790 --> 02:25:44,000
it's the best for you and your family

3953
02:25:49,110 --> 02:25:46,800
since 2005 thousands have depended on

3954
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:49,120
berkey purified water the berkey guy

3955
02:25:53,910 --> 02:25:51,280
provides the lowest priced filtration

3956
02:25:56,790 --> 02:25:53,920
systems in every size for incredibly

3957
02:26:05,270 --> 02:25:56,800
delicious water now and in an emergency

3958
02:26:09,270 --> 02:26:07,190
go 877-886-3653-877-886-3653 dot com a

3959
02:26:11,270 --> 02:26:09,280
good stove is at the top of the list for

3960
02:26:12,950 --> 02:26:11,280
any serious survivalist that's why you

3961
02:26:15,429 --> 02:26:12,960
have to see the full range at

3962
02:26:17,510 --> 02:26:15,439
emberlit.com simple elegant but

3963
02:26:19,670 --> 02:26:17,520
extraordinarily efficient available in

3964
02:26:21,830 --> 02:26:19,680
titanium or stainless steel the amber

3965
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:21,840
lit line of stoves are ultra light pack

3966
02:26:25,830 --> 02:26:24,160
flat and work great fueled only by

3967
02:26:28,150 --> 02:26:25,840
sticks and debris from emergency

3968
02:26:30,550 --> 02:26:28,160
situations to long-term survival amber

3969
02:26:32,630 --> 02:26:30,560
lit stoves are up to the task amber lit

3970
02:26:34,950 --> 02:26:32,640
the most convenient easy to carry wood

3971
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:34,960
stoves on the planet see them all at

3972
02:26:43,349 --> 02:26:41,030
are your google search results killing

3973
02:26:45,590 --> 02:26:43,359
you unflattering content in blogs news

3974
02:26:47,190 --> 02:26:45,600
articles online reviews social media or

3975
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:47,200
other sources can jeopardize your

3976
02:26:52,150 --> 02:26:49,120
reputation your business and your

3977
02:26:53,910 --> 02:26:52,160
livelihood let reputation.com help our

3978
02:26:55,670 --> 02:26:53,920
patented technology will make the truth

3979
02:26:58,070 --> 02:26:55,680
about you more visible while pushing

3980
02:27:00,270 --> 02:26:58,080
down unwanted negative content improve

3981
02:27:03,309 --> 02:27:00,280
your google search results call

3982
02:27:05,750 --> 02:27:03,319
reputation.com at

3983
02:27:09,110 --> 02:27:05,760
1-800-831-0-71 for a free consultation

3984
02:27:12,790 --> 02:27:10,870
when fresh liquid whey is processed into

3985
02:27:14,389 --> 02:27:12,800
a dry powder the special proteins that

3986
02:27:16,230 --> 02:27:14,399
make up the whey lose their original

3987
02:27:18,150 --> 02:27:16,240
shapes they fold in on themselves and

3988
02:27:19,590 --> 02:27:18,160
lose their functional value one world

3989
02:27:21,429 --> 02:27:19,600
way undergoes a technological

3990
02:27:23,030 --> 02:27:21,439
enhancement that we believe restores

3991
02:27:25,510 --> 02:27:23,040
these potent proteins back to their

3992
02:27:28,150 --> 02:27:25,520
original shapes the body can use i chose

3993
02:27:30,230 --> 02:27:28,160
to try one worldwide first before going

3994
02:27:33,670 --> 02:27:30,240
to a doctor who would likely only

3995
02:27:36,550 --> 02:27:33,680
prescribe drugs to my delight it worked

3996
02:27:39,670 --> 02:27:36,560
after stabbing pain for years to have it

3997
02:27:42,469 --> 02:27:39,680
completely gone as a miracle i'd like to

3998
02:27:44,469 --> 02:27:42,479
also stress that for me it took several

3999
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:44,479
months of taking one were away before i

4000
02:27:49,990 --> 02:27:47,040
had improvement and then an entire year

4001
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:50,000
for my gut to feel 100 healed so now i

4002
02:27:56,389 --> 02:27:53,200
tell my friends give your body time to

4003
02:28:01,230 --> 02:27:56,399
make use of the healing power of one

4004
02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:01,240
world way call 888 988 3325 or visit

4005
02:28:10,950 --> 02:28:09,270
paid an attorney spokesperson adam

4006
02:28:11,990 --> 02:28:10,960
polisky of the palestinian foreign to

4007
02:28:13,030 --> 02:28:12,000
taxes the attorney responsible for the

4008
02:28:13,910 --> 02:28:13,040
content of this ad this ad is not legal

4009
02:28:14,870 --> 02:28:13,920
advice and the choice of lawyers should

4010
02:28:15,830 --> 02:28:14,880
not be basically about advertisement

4011
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:15,840
services may not be available in all

4012
02:28:19,910 --> 02:28:18,000
states attention zarato users if you or

4013
02:28:21,349 --> 02:28:19,920
a loved one took xarelto and suffered a

4014
02:28:22,950 --> 02:28:21,359
serious bleeding event you may be

4015
02:28:24,870 --> 02:28:22,960
entitled to financial compensation

4016
02:28:26,389 --> 02:28:24,880
xarelto is a popular prescription blood

4017
02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:26,399
thinner used to prevent blood clots and

4018
02:28:29,110 --> 02:28:27,840
protect patients from strokes these

4019
02:28:30,790 --> 02:28:29,120
serious bleeding events have led to

4020
02:28:33,030 --> 02:28:30,800
numerous cases of hospitalization and

4021
02:28:34,270 --> 02:28:33,040
even death phone lines are open 24 7.

4022
02:28:44,389 --> 02:28:34,280
call

4023
02:28:47,349 --> 02:28:45,830
this is micah hanks of the grayley

4024
02:28:49,670 --> 02:28:47,359
report and you're listening to the

4025
02:28:52,910 --> 02:28:49,680
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

4026
02:29:01,270 --> 02:28:59,270
[Music]

4027
02:29:03,429 --> 02:29:01,280
and our final segment with kevin randle

4028
02:29:05,910 --> 02:29:03,439
we've been talking a lot about ufos

4029
02:29:08,070 --> 02:29:05,920
trying to clear up the myths about the

4030
02:29:10,150 --> 02:29:08,080
old cases look at some new ones chris we

4031
02:29:11,349 --> 02:29:10,160
have any questions of kevin at all left

4032
02:29:13,910 --> 02:29:11,359
in the forums

4033
02:29:16,070 --> 02:29:13,920
we do but it um it

4034
02:29:18,389 --> 02:29:16,080
it's kind of related to uh kevin's book

4035
02:29:20,630 --> 02:29:18,399
conversations as studying hypnosis and

4036
02:29:23,990 --> 02:29:20,640
past life regression

4037
02:29:26,150 --> 02:29:24,000
and it most specifically uh asks about a

4038
02:29:29,110 --> 02:29:26,160
woman that you called jenny in the book

4039
02:29:29,910 --> 02:29:29,120
yes and uh it wasn't jenny on the block

4040
02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:29,920
right

4041
02:29:32,630 --> 02:29:30,720
no

4042
02:29:33,990 --> 02:29:32,640
it was one the guys that tommy two-tone

4043
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:34,000
tried to call

4044
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:37,680
yeah exit 75309

4045
02:29:41,110 --> 02:29:39,840
i walked into a tent in baghdad actually

4046
02:29:43,270 --> 02:29:41,120
i guess it was in kuwait before we

4047
02:29:45,190 --> 02:29:43,280
rolled up the baghdad and and said to

4048
02:29:48,510 --> 02:29:45,200
one of the guys one of the younger guys

4049
02:29:51,190 --> 02:29:48,520
there you just said i said tons of vic

4050
02:29:53,190 --> 02:29:51,200
8675309 he says jenny

4051
02:29:56,230 --> 02:29:53,200
i was stunned that he knew the song

4052
02:29:58,230 --> 02:29:56,240
right tommy two-tone yes okay so yes i

4053
02:30:00,389 --> 02:29:58,240
called her jenny in the book yes right

4054
02:30:01,830 --> 02:30:00,399
in your opinion is there a possibility

4055
02:30:04,630 --> 02:30:01,840
that jenny might have been expressing

4056
02:30:06,630 --> 02:30:04,640
the onset of disassociative identity

4057
02:30:08,550 --> 02:30:06,640
disorder this is good

4058
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:08,560
have you talked to her since has she had

4059
02:30:13,190 --> 02:30:10,960
any subsequent disturbances

4060
02:30:15,990 --> 02:30:13,200
has she sought out medical help and do

4061
02:30:17,910 --> 02:30:16,000
you still consider reincarnation a valid

4062
02:30:19,590 --> 02:30:17,920
possible explanation for her condition

4063
02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:19,600
now i want you to first give a quick

4064
02:30:23,349 --> 02:30:22,080
thumbnail on the k on her woman this was

4065
02:30:25,270 --> 02:30:23,359
a woman who

4066
02:30:27,510 --> 02:30:25,280
approached saying

4067
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:27,520
thinking she had been abducted and this

4068
02:30:31,270 --> 02:30:29,600
was back when i was doing my some of my

4069
02:30:33,429 --> 02:30:31,280
abduction research so

4070
02:30:36,550 --> 02:30:33,439
i was interested in chatting with her

4071
02:30:38,469 --> 02:30:36,560
and i had a fellow that i knew who was

4072
02:30:39,990 --> 02:30:38,479
trained in hypnosis hypnotic regression

4073
02:30:42,710 --> 02:30:40,000
and we talked about how to do this so we

4074
02:30:44,710 --> 02:30:42,720
weren't leading the top subject at all

4075
02:30:46,389 --> 02:30:44,720
and he put her under hypnosis i should

4076
02:30:48,710 --> 02:30:46,399
say and we were

4077
02:30:50,309 --> 02:30:48,720
chatting with her about what her

4078
02:30:51,190 --> 02:30:50,319
experiences were and we were getting the

4079
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:51,200
um

4080
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:54,000
standard abduction the beings around the

4081
02:30:57,830 --> 02:30:55,840
bed and the bright light

4082
02:31:00,710 --> 02:30:57,840
she said at some point

4083
02:31:01,910 --> 02:31:00,720
and then i died and we go what

4084
02:31:04,230 --> 02:31:01,920
so we

4085
02:31:06,950 --> 02:31:04,240
explored that and and it was it became

4086
02:31:09,270 --> 02:31:06,960
more of one of these um you know i i saw

4087
02:31:11,429 --> 02:31:09,280
the light type things one of these uh

4088
02:31:13,110 --> 02:31:11,439
and why can't i think of the name of it

4089
02:31:14,550 --> 02:31:13,120
a near-death experiences near-death

4090
02:31:17,190 --> 02:31:14,560
experiences

4091
02:31:18,870 --> 02:31:17,200
and so we began to explore that not

4092
02:31:20,790 --> 02:31:18,880
thinking it would go where it did and

4093
02:31:22,950 --> 02:31:20,800
under under hypnotic regression as he

4094
02:31:24,070 --> 02:31:22,960
asked her to skip back to see how far we

4095
02:31:26,550 --> 02:31:24,080
would go

4096
02:31:28,630 --> 02:31:26,560
she ended up telling us these really

4097
02:31:31,110 --> 02:31:28,640
horrific tales

4098
02:31:31,990 --> 02:31:31,120
of past lives that she had been involved

4099
02:31:34,389 --> 02:31:32,000
with

4100
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:34,399
and at the time we didn't have access to

4101
02:31:38,230 --> 02:31:35,840
the internet the way we do today so it'd

4102
02:31:39,910 --> 02:31:38,240
be easy to call up this information and

4103
02:31:41,349 --> 02:31:39,920
and that sort of thing which is not to

4104
02:31:42,870 --> 02:31:41,359
say the information wasn't available but

4105
02:31:44,550 --> 02:31:42,880
she was telling the terrific tales and i

4106
02:31:46,790 --> 02:31:44,560
was checking out as much as i could

4107
02:31:47,750 --> 02:31:46,800
through libraries and whatnot and she

4108
02:31:50,630 --> 02:31:47,760
was

4109
02:31:52,070 --> 02:31:50,640
saying so

4110
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:52,080
she talked about the jack the ripper

4111
02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:53,760
crime she talked about the black dahlia

4112
02:31:56,950 --> 02:31:55,200
she talked about these things and that

4113
02:31:59,670 --> 02:31:56,960
horrific detail

4114
02:32:01,990 --> 02:31:59,680
and once we finished all of this

4115
02:32:04,790 --> 02:32:02,000
investigation she seemed to be a lot

4116
02:32:06,550 --> 02:32:04,800
better the nightmares had gone away that

4117
02:32:09,270 --> 02:32:06,560
she wasn't as anxious as she had been

4118
02:32:10,550 --> 02:32:09,280
that just sort of the just talking to us

4119
02:32:12,309 --> 02:32:10,560
about it

4120
02:32:13,590 --> 02:32:12,319
seemed to allay

4121
02:32:17,670 --> 02:32:13,600
her problems

4122
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:17,680
i have not had any contact with her in

4123
02:32:21,429 --> 02:32:20,000
oh good lord at least 15 years maybe a

4124
02:32:23,349 --> 02:32:21,439
bit longer

4125
02:32:25,910 --> 02:32:23,359
i i know the problems with hypnotic

4126
02:32:28,309 --> 02:32:25,920
regression i understand about leading

4127
02:32:31,429 --> 02:32:28,319
the subject and how simple it is

4128
02:32:33,349 --> 02:32:31,439
and we were very careful not to do that

4129
02:32:35,270 --> 02:32:33,359
being aware of these problems we tried

4130
02:32:37,030 --> 02:32:35,280
not to do that not try

4131
02:32:38,550 --> 02:32:37,040
you know i think you know you asked the

4132
02:32:39,990 --> 02:32:38,560
question what happened next implies

4133
02:32:41,670 --> 02:32:40,000
there's another event going on that

4134
02:32:44,309 --> 02:32:41,680
happens next you've got to be very

4135
02:32:46,630 --> 02:32:44,319
careful in how you phrase your questions

4136
02:32:48,630 --> 02:32:46,640
and that sort of thing so she tells

4137
02:32:51,590 --> 02:32:48,640
these horrific stories

4138
02:32:53,750 --> 02:32:51,600
it it moved her out of the um the period

4139
02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:53,760
of her life she was in i mean it ended

4140
02:32:57,590 --> 02:32:55,600
the nightmares it ended all that could

4141
02:33:00,469 --> 02:32:57,600
the trauma have been

4142
02:33:02,550 --> 02:33:00,479
uh horror movies and things like that i

4143
02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:02,560
don't know could have well been

4144
02:33:05,590 --> 02:33:03,920
but uh

4145
02:33:07,429 --> 02:33:05,600
a very interesting case i'd never have

4146
02:33:09,670 --> 02:33:07,439
been able to make

4147
02:33:12,389 --> 02:33:09,680
to decide exactly

4148
02:33:15,190 --> 02:33:12,399
how much was reality and how much was

4149
02:33:16,710 --> 02:33:15,200
the invention of her of her own mind but

4150
02:33:18,309 --> 02:33:16,720
she did seem to have access to

4151
02:33:20,150 --> 02:33:18,319
information that would not have been

4152
02:33:22,870 --> 02:33:20,160
easily available at the time we

4153
02:33:24,870 --> 02:33:22,880
conducted this so i i

4154
02:33:26,950 --> 02:33:24,880
really don't have a good answer for

4155
02:33:29,190 --> 02:33:26,960
for that if i look at it from a

4156
02:33:30,110 --> 02:33:29,200
skeptical point of view i have to say

4157
02:33:31,750 --> 02:33:30,120
well

4158
02:33:34,710 --> 02:33:31,760
apparently

4159
02:33:36,230 --> 02:33:34,720
this was some kind of delusion that she

4160
02:33:38,710 --> 02:33:36,240
got caught up in

4161
02:33:40,790 --> 02:33:38,720
and just by talking to the about the

4162
02:33:42,389 --> 02:33:40,800
delusion and the work we were doing

4163
02:33:45,030 --> 02:33:42,399
somehow broke it

4164
02:33:47,349 --> 02:33:45,040
and then she was no longer

4165
02:33:49,110 --> 02:33:47,359
troubled by all of this sort of thing

4166
02:33:51,190 --> 02:33:49,120
and the

4167
02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:51,200
less skeptical side says you know but

4168
02:33:54,950 --> 02:33:52,720
how did she come up with some of this

4169
02:33:56,630 --> 02:33:54,960
information how did she know some of

4170
02:33:58,870 --> 02:33:56,640
these things were not

4171
02:34:00,630 --> 02:33:58,880
readily available to the average person

4172
02:34:04,150 --> 02:34:00,640
at this time and i cannot see her going

4173
02:34:05,830 --> 02:34:04,160
to the library and looking this stuff up

4174
02:34:07,670 --> 02:34:05,840
to come up with these with these

4175
02:34:09,590 --> 02:34:07,680
horrific stories that she told i mean

4176
02:34:11,110 --> 02:34:09,600
she's talking about things that almost

4177
02:34:13,910 --> 02:34:11,120
nobody had heard of

4178
02:34:15,830 --> 02:34:13,920
when she began talking about them so the

4179
02:34:17,990 --> 02:34:15,840
answer is i really don't know i just

4180
02:34:19,670 --> 02:34:18,000
thought it was an interesting story

4181
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:19,680
and i wanted to do the book

4182
02:34:23,510 --> 02:34:21,120
conversations because i thought it was

4183
02:34:25,510 --> 02:34:23,520
an interesting story and i was kind of

4184
02:34:27,349 --> 02:34:25,520
following the len stringfield

4185
02:34:29,750 --> 02:34:27,359
philosophy which is i've got this

4186
02:34:31,750 --> 02:34:29,760
information maybe if i write it up

4187
02:34:33,590 --> 02:34:31,760
somebody will give me something that'll

4188
02:34:35,190 --> 02:34:33,600
help me resolve

4189
02:34:37,910 --> 02:34:35,200
this particular

4190
02:34:41,110 --> 02:34:37,920
aspect of it be careful what you wish

4191
02:34:42,870 --> 02:34:41,120
for but nobody nobody has and and i i

4192
02:34:45,110 --> 02:34:42,880
think it's i i've always thought it was

4193
02:34:47,670 --> 02:34:45,120
an interesting book even if it was

4194
02:34:48,950 --> 02:34:47,680
fiction it was an interesting book uh

4195
02:34:51,990 --> 02:34:48,960
you know that's that's kind of where we

4196
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:52,000
are i i have no insights into it other

4197
02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:53,840
than what is expressed in the book and

4198
02:34:57,990 --> 02:34:56,080
the things that i i learned by by

4199
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:58,000
researching the various aspects of what

4200
02:35:03,110 --> 02:34:59,439
she was saying and the avenues that i

4201
02:35:05,190 --> 02:35:03,120
went down in in that book well okay

4202
02:35:07,110 --> 02:35:05,200
very quickly moving in the remaining two

4203
02:35:09,429 --> 02:35:07,120
minutes or so to anything related to

4204
02:35:12,550 --> 02:35:09,439
hypnosis do you think there are some

4205
02:35:14,150 --> 02:35:12,560
real meaning unidentified unexplained

4206
02:35:15,349 --> 02:35:14,160
abductions out there

4207
02:35:17,349 --> 02:35:15,359
personally

4208
02:35:19,750 --> 02:35:17,359
i think not but that i mean that's

4209
02:35:21,510 --> 02:35:19,760
personal based on my research and and

4210
02:35:24,710 --> 02:35:21,520
what what russ estes and bill cohn and i

4211
02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:24,720
did uh in the abduction enigma i have

4212
02:35:27,990 --> 02:35:26,080
said and i've said it to katherine

4213
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:28,000
martin as a matter of fact that if there

4214
02:35:32,309 --> 02:35:30,160
were real abductions i would expect them

4215
02:35:34,870 --> 02:35:32,319
to be more like barney and betty hill or

4216
02:35:36,389 --> 02:35:34,880
travis walton rather than this ongoing

4217
02:35:38,550 --> 02:35:36,399
thing coming into the bedrooms and

4218
02:35:40,070 --> 02:35:38,560
taking people out and in fact i think

4219
02:35:41,590 --> 02:35:40,080
i'm the first one that ever reported

4220
02:35:44,070 --> 02:35:41,600
anything like that which was a saga

4221
02:35:46,469 --> 02:35:44,080
magazine i think in 1976

4222
02:35:48,950 --> 02:35:46,479
with the pat roach case in near provo

4223
02:35:52,150 --> 02:35:48,960
utah in that area lehigh american fork

4224
02:35:54,950 --> 02:35:52,160
area of utah i think now that that was a

4225
02:35:56,790 --> 02:35:54,960
case of sleep paralysis that got blown

4226
02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:56,800
out of proportion because the hypnotist

4227
02:36:01,190 --> 02:35:58,640
i used there james harder

4228
02:36:03,670 --> 02:36:01,200
wasn't that good at it but

4229
02:36:06,070 --> 02:36:03,680
and and you look at the this numbers

4230
02:36:08,389 --> 02:36:06,080
that they talk about there's way the

4231
02:36:09,590 --> 02:36:08,399
logistics are just impossible regardless

4232
02:36:11,990 --> 02:36:09,600
of what you think of the alien

4233
02:36:13,750 --> 02:36:12,000
capability that number of spacecraft

4234
02:36:15,510 --> 02:36:13,760
doing that number of abductions is just

4235
02:36:19,190 --> 02:36:15,520
physically impossible

4236
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:19,200
there may be a small core of of credible

4237
02:36:22,230 --> 02:36:20,399
cases

4238
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:22,240
i don't know but i think the vast

4239
02:36:24,950 --> 02:36:23,680
majority of them have terrestrial

4240
02:36:27,349 --> 02:36:24,960
explanations

4241
02:36:29,429 --> 02:36:27,359
there you go listeners i think we've

4242
02:36:31,190 --> 02:36:29,439
about wrapped it up with kevin randall

4243
02:36:32,790 --> 02:36:31,200
kevin can you tell our listeners where

4244
02:36:34,550 --> 02:36:32,800
they can find more of the things that

4245
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:34,560
you do and just remind them briefly

4246
02:36:39,349 --> 02:36:37,600
about your new book the blog spot is

4247
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:39,359
called a different perspective you can

4248
02:36:44,150 --> 02:36:41,040
type that in and it usually pops right

4249
02:36:45,910 --> 02:36:44,160
up it's at kevinrandall.blogspot.com

4250
02:36:48,389 --> 02:36:45,920
and the book is called roswell in the

4251
02:36:50,710 --> 02:36:48,399
21st century and it is sort of a cold

4252
02:36:52,630 --> 02:36:50,720
case investigation of roswell case

4253
02:36:54,469 --> 02:36:52,640
bringing in a lot of facts that weren't

4254
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:54,479
known before or were known but not

4255
02:36:59,190 --> 02:36:57,280
publicized very well and kind of

4256
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:59,200
puts the whole thing in

4257
02:37:02,150 --> 02:37:00,800
and i hesitate to say it a different

4258
02:37:04,469 --> 02:37:02,160
perspective

4259
02:37:06,550 --> 02:37:04,479
that was good i liked that it just

4260
02:37:08,389 --> 02:37:06,560
popped into my brain

4261
02:37:10,870 --> 02:37:08,399
well that's how things go we'll find a

4262
02:37:13,110 --> 02:37:10,880
psychic explanation for that yet you can

4263
02:37:16,070 --> 02:37:13,120
find us on twitter look for the

4264
02:37:17,670 --> 02:37:16,080
powercast on twitter we don't do much in

4265
02:37:20,389 --> 02:37:17,680
the way of tweets i think what happened

4266
02:37:22,550 --> 02:37:20,399
there is donald trump is so overwhelmed

4267
02:37:25,910 --> 02:37:22,560
twitter that there's no space for us

4268
02:37:27,270 --> 02:37:25,920
anymore that's what happened we have two

4269
02:37:30,389 --> 02:37:27,280
official

4270
02:37:32,710 --> 02:37:30,399
power cast fan clubs on facebook one is

4271
02:37:34,710 --> 02:37:32,720
a community one is a group

4272
02:37:37,110 --> 02:37:34,720
i don't know about the differences i'm

4273
02:37:38,950 --> 02:37:37,120
sure there are some but we can't combine

4274
02:37:40,550 --> 02:37:38,960
them without losing one

4275
02:37:42,550 --> 02:37:40,560
we also have another radio show we'd

4276
02:37:44,870 --> 02:37:42,560
like you to hear it's called after the

4277
02:37:46,790 --> 02:37:44,880
power cast and what it is

4278
02:37:49,349 --> 02:37:46,800
what it is that sounds almost like no i

4279
02:37:52,389 --> 02:37:49,359
don't want to get there what it is

4280
02:37:54,389 --> 02:37:52,399
is kind of a wrap-up show

4281
02:37:56,790 --> 02:37:54,399
color commentary we sometimes have

4282
02:37:59,110 --> 02:37:56,800
special guest interviews and the only

4283
02:38:00,389 --> 02:37:59,120
way for you to hear after the power cast

4284
02:38:02,309 --> 02:38:00,399
is to subscribe

4285
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:02,319
to the powercast plus at

4286
02:38:06,870 --> 02:38:04,479
plus.thepowercast.com

4287
02:38:09,429 --> 02:38:06,880
we offer also the ad free version of

4288
02:38:10,389 --> 02:38:09,439
this show free of 41 minutes of network

4289
02:38:12,790 --> 02:38:10,399
ads

4290
02:38:15,990 --> 02:38:12,800
better quality audio

4291
02:38:16,950 --> 02:38:16,000
show transcripts videos more stuff

4292
02:38:19,110 --> 02:38:16,960
coming

4293
02:38:22,550 --> 02:38:19,120
for a low subscription fee

4294
02:38:24,389 --> 02:38:22,560
monthly annual five years a lifetime and

4295
02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:24,399
we're going to be here forever in fact i

4296
02:38:28,710 --> 02:38:26,560
have some new pills now that are keeping

4297
02:38:30,950 --> 02:38:28,720
rats alive longer so probably we'll take

4298
02:38:32,710 --> 02:38:30,960
them and we'll all become rats but we'll

4299
02:38:38,389 --> 02:38:32,720
stay here forever check

4300
02:38:42,150 --> 02:38:40,150
kevin randall thanks for joining us on

4301
02:38:46,150 --> 02:38:42,160
the show this week thank you for the

4302
02:38:46,160 --> 02:38:52,350
i love

4303
02:38:52,360 --> 02:38:55,590
[Music]

4304
02:38:55,600 --> 02:38:56,870
the it

4305
02:39:02,550 --> 02:38:59,270
featuring jean steinberg and christopher

4306
02:39:06,070 --> 02:39:02,560
o'brien is a copyrighted presentation of

4307
02:39:10,230 --> 02:39:06,080
making the impossible incorporated